Youtube to mp3 hit white kids like the heroin epidemic

Yes he’s a piece of s*** now but that won’t change the fact Kanye is one of the greatest artists ever. Stop tryna change reality to fit your agenda.

You know you're wrong when Flubber calls you out

I know

That's what I've been saying the whole time

In the US however, gentrification tends to take on a racialized dimension more often than not, and almost always serves the interests of white supremacy, which in the USA is used to reinforce class exploitation. There's clear overlap in the US between racism and gentrification, but gentrification is not inherently a racial issue inasmuch as it is a colonial (white people have colonized other white people and still do) and class issue, globally. But in the US and the western world it is also linked to the struggle against white supremacy

He just apologized!

If you’re talking strictly rapping then I think that’s more of a combination of Nelly—T pain—Kanye—Drake lineage + trap beats + auto tune blowing up. Those guys(plus a few more) and the new production trends birthed this last decade of nothing. Trap beats carry a lot of the blame imo

The point is, *he's always been a piece of s****. He has used his talents in service of being a piece of s*** his entire career. It just became more flagrant over time, and less easy to humanize as the quality of the music declined after ~2018, and especially after 2021.

think about gentrification in terms of housing & its relationship with fascism

just because we’re talking about gentrification in terms of music doesn’t mean the two are divorced

But the roots of trap production go back to the late 80s and 808s have been used in hip hop since 1982.

Trap music yeah sure after a point, especially during the soundcloud era, has at times been used to gentrify hip hop. But the production isn't really the problem.

There is no world in which DJ Spanish Fly or even Zaytoven's beats served the interest of gentrifying rap lmao

808s been part of hip hop for a very long time. The biggest reason they aren't part of the Day 1 foundation is simply because 808s didn't exist until 1978. Hip hop honestly popularized the use of 808s in all of music via Bambaataa.

This is in no way trap music, but the instrumental arrangement is the fundamental format of the trap sound. S*** like this is the primordial ancestor of trap production. As time/technology advanced, somebody eventually ended up putting all of the basics together and crafted the first beat that explicitly followed the basic format of a trap beat:

Still isn't trap but that sub bass, tempo, and hihat arrangement are the brick-and-mortar foundation of trap production. Goes back to 1988. After this you get that 90s UGK, 8ball, Three 6 s***, and then Gucci Mane/T.I./Jeezy in the early 2000s.

Spittin with the Spanish fly shout out

Shoot trigga man

I wasn’t thinking about white people while experiencing hiphop in my youth, I hate to break it to you man idk what you want lol. this gentrification topic is beyond dead lol

that’s hilarious lmao

I never said he was the only person who did this. I genuinely asked, in the title, "to what extent".

Coming out and saying "Kanye gentrified rap" is pretty dumb, but to say he didn't contribute to that phenomenon as a multiplatinum neo-Nazi who is obsessed with European fashion, art, and business, is sincerely disingenuous. He played a role in its gentrification, at least during certain points of his career.

Engagement bait thread new user

i kinda see where ur coming from but we r talking abt the gentrification of a genre here. every other genre before rap was originally popular just amongst the people that started it, then became more whitespread and gentrified, and then fell off. like this is something that has always happened and we’ve never seen a genre buck the trend.

hiphop went through the cycle as expected, maybe even had an abnormally long run in the spotlight if anything. but like all genres before it, it became gentrified and fell off due to its mainstream exposure.

what it sounds like ur arguing for is that hiphop’s gentrification was actually not a natural part of the cycle this time around and that somehow it was significantly tied to one guy within the genre who went crazy and started pushing right wing s***. i just don’t buy that. not to mention kanye wasn’t even selling like that in his maga era dude’s numbers respect and influence fell off a cliff post-TLOP, so it’s hard to believe he could’ve singlehandedly been the primary force behind gentrification of rap.

It's not engagement bait. I didn't say anything inflammatory. But yes, I did make this thread with the conscious purpose of engaging in discussion. That's why people make threads.

Only way it's bait is if you're truly just egging people on the entire time. I can guarantee I've only been respectful and pretty fair-minded throughout this entire thread, no edits needed.

I just like having "hard boiled" dialogue about music and culture. We can talk about easy s*** all the time but it's cool to get in the weeds. Ye a production GOAT and has multiple classic albums obviously. But he's a complex creative figure. Not really a hot take at all.

You’ve shifted gentrification to mean whatever you want it to mean

Early 10s Jay was the biggest Euro snob in rap history tbh "usually you have this much taste you European" ass

Kanye and Dre. Shifted hip hop for better or worse. The two greatest

"the process whereby the character of a poor urban area is changed by wealthier people moving in, improving housing, and attracting new businesses, typically displacing current inhabitants in the process."

This is the Oxford definition. I have been arguing using this logic the entire thread lmao. I'm truly not tryna bait. Inspired discussion is good, literally who is being disrespected itt rn? It's been an almost entirely productive and civil thread for nearly 20 pages