treeman

1y

It was polarizing as a project but the general public loved the hits and they were just as big if not bigger than the songs that came before it, mbdtf was the slam dunk for Kanye’s career and solidified him as hip hops best creative.

Tyler has yet to reach those mainstream highs when it comes to the music and you’re probably right it may not happen but he’s still so young. I truly believe he has it in him to become “the guy” he just has to get some outside help and live a bit more

cryforhell

1y

We can acknowledge that Tyler is a legend but he hasn’t made the big leap and might never will (which is ok)

SegaDreamFlash

1y

and again I ask.. with songs like Earfquake, WusYaName, Sticky etc do you have to know the story to enjoy those songs

SegaDreamFlash

1y

Wait the hits on 808s were bigger than the ones on Graduation? 🧐🧐

treeman

1y

I take it back I just compared tracklists lol. Love lockdown and heartless still get play today though but graduation is ridiculous. I’ve been drinking

treeman

1y

He’s gotten much better the last two albums and his storytelling has improved a ton. I think a lot of it boils down to him not experiencing much real life s***, he and his music are very immature (cmiygl & chromakopia you can tell he’s finally opening up and living a bit). He’s just now starting to talk about real relationships, mistakes and problems relatable to someone his age.

He gained a cult following at 17 and got rich at 19 and from what he says and shows he kept to himself and didn’t do too much mingling/living and it seems his growth was stunted from being a recluse of sorts, also he was focused on business and building his brand (which is extremely admirable and he has undeniably succeeded in doing). Each album has its fair share of personal content but it’s presented in such a childish way it gets hard to listen to repeatedly, at least for me. His last two projects he’s gotten much more relatable and has matured a ton and I think he’s finally opening up to different experiences which will only benefit him in the long run.

Overall he’s just a nerdy, edgy introverted extrovert and it’s been wonderful watching his journey, I truly believe he will die one of the most important figures of our time and he’s got a long way to go.

Lastly, I do think it’s hard to deny that he gets majority of his love through his personality and work ethic and not the product itself. Everyone listens to his work when it first drops, he’s got tons of acclaim and has done some incredible things with his music, his music just doesn’t really have the most legs. Flowerboy and Igor are both massive albums and he continues to sell tons of records within the first few weeks of his drops on everything post those records, his place in the conversation is undeniable I just hope he continues to grow and make more palatable music in the future

cryforhell

1y

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I’m doubtful but I’m rooting for him

Tyler doesn’t strike me as the type to compromise on what he likes on any level and I get that. His artistry is a very personal form of expression for him

I think he probably sees nothing broken so why fix it especially at the expense of what he’s been doing for forever

Honestly I’d be shocked and wholeheartedly impressed if he decided to address it and improve

cryforhell

1y

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No you don’t and this is a testament to the fact that he is a good artist

However these aren’t transcendent, universal hits on the level of his contemporaries

Like I would genuinely argue that none of these songs are as big or pervasive as PTL by Rocky

SegaDreamFlash

1y

PTL & Earfquake are close in numbers tho

cryforhell

1y

Bro like songs like F***in Problems are staples in culture real “where were you at when this dropped?” type s***

Tyler has gotten close to the top without records like that and tbh that’s pretty impressive in and of itself nigga loves the grind

SegaDreamFlash

1y

I also got a question though.

Outside of Tyler, are records like that wholly necessary to get close to the top like that anymore?

Like Carti is one of the most buzzed about artists in 2024 and he only dropped like one single officially and s***, it's weird

cryforhell

1y

No because streaming changed the landscape entirely and most of our biggest artists today are part of that era even if they debuted before

I am of the belief that cultural footprint will never be outdone by numbers though so whether or not you have “that hit” you still absolutely need it

Plus I’m willing to bet Carti’s late 2023-early 2024 run will be remembered fondly IF and only IF his album is good

cryforhell

1y

Like the fact that an album like GKMC was able to pull off several hits while sticking to the concept

I’m not sure if this speaks more of Kendrick or less of Tyler but I’m leaning towards the latter

treeman

1y

Carti album bout to be phenomenal tbh

cryforhell

1y

Depends on if he’s willing to sacrifice cohesion to satisfy his ravenous fans (myself included)

This is the most important album of his career but I don’t see Carti having enough to say or having super varied and concise production to keep me interested for a 18+ tracks and this has been my most anticipated album for awhile

It has to hang in the rafters with DS2, Astroworld, etc. anything less is a failure

Carti if you’re reading this save yourself the trouble and do a double disc if anything