He threatened a girl?

For an artist of his caliber and repertoire, he’s been unable to consistently and effortlessly polish his ideas to bridge the gap between his artistry and the general audience on a massive level like the genre-pushing artists that predate him and had to make the culture meet them where they’re at. He’s limited by his persona and inability to merge his style with sonically appealing music — this is a skill issue

Tyler has few, if any, standouts or must-listens that you’d assume anyone into music knows of and those that aren’t have at least heard at one point or another. If it weren’t for the fact that he is very endearing, can execute on a consistent basis and is one of the most creative minds that we currently have, he’d be just another run-of-the-mill rapper. He just doesn’t have a discography that stands on its own without the legacy he’s built up outside of his own music

Also Merry Christmas

Majority of this has nothing to do with his own music and corroborates one of the points I made in my og post. His legacy precedes his artistry

He might’ve, this was a couple months after earl dissed the odd future swag on twitter

Nigga said I’ma sing in falsetto cuz P did it before like his voice ain’t 10x smoother

The person bro was arguing with and going back and forth with had she/her pronouns in their bio

So unless we have proof that said user is not a girl those posts look pretty bad

Merry Christmas to you but then again this just all reads as personal feelings lol

To say he has no stand outs or must listens is wild to me lol

And whose discography doesn’t have a legacy attached to it?

I don’t get these complaints, the same ones you’re making is the ones guys like Fantano and other detractors used to make about Kanye and MBDTF lol

Every artists discography has some sort of legacy / context to it. It’s their personal journey?

MBDTF literally hinges on you caring about who Kanye is and where he was at in his life because that was his big comeback record after he ruined all public good will in 2009.

GNX probably doesn’t work as well without the amazing 2024 Kendrick has had

The Black Album works the way it does because it was Hov closing out his initial run in his prime.

I’m just confused as to what you’re tryna say @op

Yeah let me clarify

What I was saying was that without his mark on pop culture his discography is just not that remarkable as a footnote in hip hop

The rest of the guys you mentioned had those projects ringing out whether you were following their journey or not. I was a kid when MBDTF dropped and a good portion of it was inescapable. I liked it without giving two s***s about Kanye’s personal life

Obviously this is relative to my personal experiences but I don’t get the same impact with Tyler like the aforementioned artists. From what I’ve seen you genuinely have to be into Tyler for his music to enter your radar

What did harold get muted for?

Did you know theres a thread to keep track of all muted/banned users?! This is a community effort. post when you see a mute or anything of the sort.
ktt2.com/ktt-user-report-2-users-banned-32558376/20#latest

Again this just reads like your personal anecdotes coming together to form a narrative that you’re trying to push as concrete like most of the users in here.

Are you saying people can’t enjoy songs like Earfquake and WusYaName without knowing where Tyler is at in life? Cuz I have literally seen the opposite with my own eyes lol

No, what I’m saying is that his legacy is overstated because of what he means to culture

His catalog by itself isn’t as significant as the entity

That’s everybody’s legacy.

And that’s everybody’s catalogue.

Every artist I named in the other post I made had these same criticisms leveled at them.

It comes with the territory of being a large personality in the genre.

A lot of these people that have Jays catalogue high know if it because he’s already grandfathered in as a legend and an elder statesmen.

So yes in a way they are invested cuz they’re going back and doing their homework on why Jay has a catalogue that’s considered GOAT-worthy because of his reputation.

And MBDTF is a great album but the entire context of it was where Kanye was at as a celebrity.

The lead single alone “Power” has a whole second verse dedicated to dissing SNL who was making fun of him at the time

Edit: yea my initial point I made is that the argument OP made is the same one Fantano made against Kanye

Like I’m actually tryna rack my brain tryna remember a time when a public figures legacy etc wasn’t tied to how their work was perceived

This is completely false and antithetical to popular music in general man lol

When you were a child hearing hits or huge albums from all types of artists the lore meant something to you?

Growing up every kid was singing tracks off the Carter 3 without knowing a damn thing about Wayne’s personal life

66 pages?

My personal anecdotes don’t mean much when talking about the culture and discussion at large. This is why I keep saying you’re conflating your personal feelings with facts.

We were different ages when MBDTF came out, and I vividly remember the convo at the time amongst people my age and older being how Kanye was gonna repair his reputation and image after the divisive 808s and his public outburst at the VMAs

And the Carter 3 was hot to us but to the public at large it was Wayne tryna stamp himself as the heir to the best rapper alive title that Hov claimed back in 2003

Every big artist you know had some cultural context around their s*** even down to Michael Jackson’s thriller era and him being one of the first black superstars to break through on MTV

Your personal anecdotes do matter though, they highlight ubiquity, impact, and cultural significance

By your own logic there’s no effect on how the average person perceives an artist’s music as long as their core fanbase likes it but if we accepted that as being the case then how would any artist expand their reach? Most commercial acts tailor their music to be as accessible to as much people as possible, some while maintaining their artistic integrity, others without. There labels wouldn’t clear s*** if otherwise

I think you’re conflating your listening style with the casual listeners. You’re a high brow that cares about the narrative like majority of the people on this site including myself

Yea but they can also highlight an inherit bias and a refusal to hear out other perspectives which this site often does.

It's too many narratives niggas on here run with that have been proven to be wrong time and time again