nicobarret

1y

Yes the guy that added 1 sample anyone couldve found to a myriad of sections on that song that Ye orchestrated

Literally the definition of replaceable on that song

Meanwhile that song wouldn’t have been made by him or any individual person without Ye’s strings. Get the point?

notbrock

1y

Here we go discrediting the people who actually made the song possible

Y’all got it tho

nicobarret

1y

Devil in a New Dress is literally a loop but you’re praising it as an example of something more spectacular than Ye. You’re literally a fan of Alchemist who does nothing but loops. Your hypocrisy is funny

eye contact

1y

Glad I haven’t been itt

OHMNI

1y

again from what I said 18 hours ago I have Because the Internet over every tyler album it will never win awards

if you got a tyler album you think is better I will relisten to it right now and reassess

I got no insults to throw I am standing on my opinion if you disagree thats cool

Smacked Voodoo

1y

Love his drumming and his work with Kamaal Williams and Rocco Palladino.

Just cause artists become beloved by a certain obnoxious/pretentious kinda crowd doesn't devalue their work, and it is not their fault. People gonna like good jazz music. Nothing else too it

Kee

1y

Mods really saw this and said

insertcoolnamehere

1y

Kamaal Williams got a couple cases

cryforhell

1y

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So I’ve listened to all of Tyler’s consensus best material and imo he’s one of the most overrated rappers out rn. This thread is made because I genuinely want to understand what makes him a great artist to those that enjoy him

He’s literally one of the only artist I’ve ever seen that has been largely carried by their relationships within the industry and how they’re perceived by their peers as well as having a very dedicated fanbase yet no amazing records or universal hits to really show for it. Like logically he’s the natural successor of the lineage of Ye, Pharrell, etc. but it’s not translating the way it should be, like at all. To make matters worse it’s not like his sound needs to grow on you either it’s pretty standard alt-rap

His production is good despite it being imitative but he is just not a good composer and has an issue with being over-ambitious with a clear reluctancy to cutting out the excess fat. Almost every song on Chromakopia is a chore to get through and fits better in context of the album than as individual singles because of how over the top they are. Like Sticky is such a lay up of a hit but it’s just too busy of a f***ing song to listen to on a regular basis

Also, I don’t think him self-producing most of his albums is as a good of a thing as he gets credited for. You can’t make MBDTF or TPAB by self-producing everything. At some point the sound becomes trite and outsourcing to better or other creative minds is a good thing and a fresher take on your artistry

He has a great rapping voice and is a pretty solid rapper but when he tries to switch it up and sing he’s been reliant on the crutch of pitching up his vocals since Flower Boy instead of just taking singing lessons at this point. It’s jarring as f*** to hear that every time he tries to hit notes, I’d rather he use different vocal effects to make it sound less grating

Realistically most users on this site should be a fan of his or at least feel positively about his music but he occupies this awkward space of being too weird for the casuals and not good enough to satisfy the high-brows. He doesn’t have a plethora of hit songs or classic rap albums that are universally appraised or songs that stick on the charts that justify the praise either. Kanye is basically his predecessor and even though he’s generally seen as an artist whose fans are mostly on the “artsy/nerdy” side, he has hits and projects that transcend his demographic. I can bet that most old heads know a Travis Scott song or two and casuals love his albums so there’s no reason why Tyler’s music shouldn’t have a similar affect to some degree

I do think he has the makings of a great artist but he’s put on an extremely high pedestal that I don’t think he’s deserving of

EDIT: Quite a number of folks ITT are misconstruing what I meant by “carried” by other artists, so I’ll add my response here:

He didn’t make it this far by piggybacking off of his relationships, he did it off his own merit. Despite this, his relationships to respected artists has embellished his career without a doubt. Be it OF producing Earl, Frank, The Internet, Steve Lacy + more or his proximity to Pharrell, Rocky, Mac Miller, Solange, etc. all of these connects have benefited his career through osmosis because it feels like he SHOULD be amongst the biggest in the game even if the music hasn’t quite reached the level of those that are from a cultural standpoint. I mean, his friends are universally loved so why wouldn’t he be?

Not only that but his devout fanbase is probably a melting pot of his own fans, remnants of OF’s fanbase and fans of these other artists that adore him

treeman

1y

Thread is a hit. Tyler a goat

Smacked Voodoo

1y

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Nah thread is s*** honestly. Tyler pretty cool though. A good hit/miss ratio. Has the kinda talent and career a lotta niggas wish that they or their fave(s) could have.

Lein

1y

I'm not even the biggest Tyler fan (haven't listened to his last 2 albums) but to say he has no notable songs is insane

Himothee

1y

Agreed wit everything you said.

People crowning him as the new ye/pharrel in the days leading up to Chromalopia release felt forced asl

Only Tyler albums that ever really resonated with me were B****** for how raw it sounded and Flower Boy for the melodies. Never really rocked with his other stuff that much it felt like a chore to listen to