take his mic

Back when ny niggas was calling southern rappers lame but then…

The truth is they had no Shawty Redd Lex Drumma Boy etc to bring their sound into the future so they settled for copying the South

Ron Browz and Harry Fraud phone was cold as hell during this time lol

I also think an NY rapper should have made their bid to get into that post Graduation pre blog era pocket of rap

He could have had a whole second run with autotune and Justice League beats tbh

F***ING. CRICKETS.

But you did have niggas like rockwilder that was right there primed for the 2000s.

New York let 2 niggas from queens (as one a rapper, and one a dj) basically ruin their stronghold on the game.

The rhyme after “slang” should have been “all because of Wayne” lol

The crazy part is as big as his influence was it wasn't just Wayne though (this is no slander chill your panties Sir Real)

I remember Cam, Jada, and Busta was all on the Bonecrusher Never Scared Remix

YNS thread

Out

There's just a constant churn of teenagers you can trick into liking bullshit. That simple really

do you think Steph ruined basketball? anyone can shoot 3s…

actually shut my mouth n watched vid

excellent diagnosis.
like u said, a bit obvious / beating a dead horse / punching down, but ure right - its a fair assessment and necessary discussions for hip hop fans from the south to have

wat stands out to me is ur statement about opportunistic Black/white artists "capitalizing" on the low bar that was set, bc that's the key issue. a system where getting on/making bread by any means necessary also means taking the creative path of least re$istance

and that as things continue to get socioeconomically worse, barring out or attempting to be a lyricist doesn't lend itself to 'fun'/club music. that when s*** is dour and it cant be found nowhere else, Black people are going to make entertainment and catharsis possible the easiest way we can.

almost wish u were more prescriptive and offered solutions or a vision/imagination for how things get better. it almost seems out of our hands considering the attitudes of the youth/declining govt investments in the arts/literacy... so perhaps us being in mourning/grieving about this aspect of hip hop music being a dying art is the more natural answer

the references to outkast and ny feel kinda limited and counterintuitive {respectively} to fostering good faith discussion though - i.e., what other artists from the south also displayed a level of thoughtful lyricism u actually appreciated {and why did/didnt they reach similar levels of influence}? and how can ur same argument be made (perhaps using a different scene) w.o implicitly holding 90s ny hip hop up as a pinnacle/standard; would be interested to hear

im chattin n shudnt even be since im not from the south but
great stuff as usual.

Yes

I’ve heard variations of this sentiment all last decade lol “small ball” “teams just chuck 3’s now”

How is this being disputed? Everything wrong with rap of the last however many years and especially rn is directly from s*** that the South - specifically Atlanta - has pioneered and brought into the game

Only reason to disagree with such an obvious fact is personal southern bias

identity crisis at the same time

this rly it lol

re: the west coast.. thats 4 them to answer and although im glad that kendrick is the cultural reckoning he is, feels like they as a collective / {outside of tde} dropped the ball the past decades.. much like ny has. although i feel like {conjecture, but} their subtle influence on the detroit scene is an understated aspect i rarely hear anyone discuss

yeaaa
but i rmr seein a funny tweet or sumn that was like "there was a shift in hip hop after This is Why Im Hot 🧐" loll

Loved FILNOBEP growin up. the 'anti-sentiments' are felt and lowkey probly appealed to some north superiority mindset ingrained in me back wen (re: shawty bus shawty), but considering i never saw this vid, they seemed a little equal opportunity offenders when it came to calling out wat we can say was ignorant s*** in hiphop. not gonna pretend one video is cause for an entire reevaluation but yea, good channel

ktt2.com/atlanta-is-the-modern-day-sodom-and-gonnorah-32601545

op is right

interesting…yet with that influence, 8/10 of the last FMVPs were all forwards/big men

maybe he didn’t ruin the game but promoted elements to expand the game? maybe the south didn’t ruin it either, but provided other regions the energy they were missing…

The South got something (negative) to say

Ok and we can acknowledge that and ask where tf was the rest of yall niggas at?

@Water_Giver

Filnobep definitely did diss everyone lol

But they bread and butter was young money/lil wayne and birdman videos they know dat lol

voices too good

& he had that s*** in the wrong key