ithaka

5y

@grimes so i wasnt referring to vdp earlier brian did stellar songs post their collaboration but this does bring a great point on how this unfinished collaboration is the start of a never ending tragedy of collaborations being cut out by outside people thinking they know better what brian should do...

i don’t know to write about it again bc it’s so long and ive went through it so sorry to send you to a post but this is what i meant:
https://www.ktt2.com/the-beach-boys-75210/57

G Roy

5y

gonna read now

ithaka

5y

sorry thought the link would send to the post i wanted but it didn’t at least for me, it’s not the one t the top page but more near the bottom the one where i mention him reconnecting with the pet sounds lyrics and then i bring up his daughters all that

ithaka

5y

@Come_to_BR this the definitive version of til i die for me...

G Roy

5y

yah i was able to find it lol

what a weird thing the whole thing is lol, just wish Brian would be free to express himself man makes me so sad to see him forced in with these weirdos to this day. But I guess it's more nuanced then that but just feels so unnecessary to have all these weird keepers around controlling s***, just makes me so sad. Since this was the topic that originally got this brought up: do u think this dude had anything to with the axing of ppl like Frank or Lana from the album or do u think that was a full-on decision from Brian?

fun guy

5y

This intro is godly, thanks for putting me on

Wish these alt mixes were on streaming

ithaka

5y

absolutely not from brian - they unfortunately put him in a position where he doesn’t call the shots as much as they love to make it seem like it as if he’s in charge in front of cameras and still directing... he’s saddly babysitted

and so was the pr message that came with it , there’s no way he said what’s said in there

as much as brian is out of touch with new music and has never heard of lana or frank, why in the world would not only not love their music if presented to him but would not love their voices if he heard them? and if so and the collaboration happened why even more in the world would he be like nah and speak like such about them? there is not any single judgement or maliciousness in brians heart

this is totally the camp tryna reach out with new artists and prolly read some oldheads fan backlash and backed out

highly you recommend these reads too:
https://www.ktt2.com/the-beach-boys-75210/60#post-9949396

G Roy

5y

yaaah that's the feeling i got once i started reading the "quotes" that were in the article i linked in the Lana thread. Brian has never been that blunt in his life and often when he actually gets asked a question and speaks from the heart it comes off kinda ramble-y but sincere and genuine and with zero malice, i HIGHLY doubt Brian would answer with the stuff given in the article if not told to him to say. Also what kinda answer is "he wanted to rap so we canceled the song" to why the Frank song didn't happen? 1. that legit just sounds super far fetched that Frank, a primarily SINGER who's super inspired by Brian would get the chance to work with him and just randomly be like "huh, ya know I think this will be the song I just decide to rap on!" and yes Brian is indeed old so i don't expect him to be very in tune with rap as that's pretty out of his time but knowing him idk if he would just straight up push it away if this did happen (which i doubt lol).

S*** jus comes off super sus pr s***, f***ing hate this s***. About to read what u linked now!

ithaka

5y

same man.. and yeah the frank comment is the weirdest especially since this was from the era leading onto blonde, doesn’t make any sense...

G Roy

5y

Frank was like, hyper-obsessed with the beach boys while making blonde why the f*** would he just start rapping on a song with Brian man what kinda bs answers even are these, i hate it here!!

ithaka

5y

@EuroNymous this is one of my favorite from the vault, don’t know if you got around it, it’s so obscure we only got a bootleg out of it

so late 70s contrary to the popular belief saying that brians lowest point was post pet sounds, he was doing just fine still writing full albums and producing it, it’s only when sunflower absolutely flopped in 1970 where it opened a severe wound and insecurities, doors to his haunting ghosts.. by the end of the seventies he was an disaster, the guy that you see at the supermarket you don’t want to get close to, nails untrimmed ridiculously long and not taking showers for weeks because he got so paranoid throug his d*** abuse that he thought the devil was gonna come for him thru the shower head, so he stayed in beds just watching tv and having cocaine and hamburgers from morning to late night

it escalated so bad that the boys couldn’t get a original new song from him, all he would do is jam on the piano this fixation he had with shortenin beard song.. he would play that at parties when other superstars got to meet him for the first time such as iggy pop or what not leaving some terrible stories for them to tell in the media ...

so in 1981 (just about two years before dennis tragic passing.. ) dennis found a way to get brian creative again, he made a deal that would get brian to come to rehearsal with him to play some music, just to get brian out of the bed really, at this point he was at his worse physically he had ever been:

and what was the deal you may wonder??
get brian in a studio with the promise of cocaine and hamburgers in return..

but it worked, as dark as it is, and out of this came out this beautiful song, listen closely to the lyrics heartbreaking lyrics, true lyrics a sos bottle sent to the ocean of whoever is willing to hear his pain...

😔 @Goo @Jerry_Seinfeld @Ground @spongebob @deepsleep @Terry
@RVI @Womanpuncher69 @Noir

G Roy

5y

that song man... complete chills, almost made me tear up, completely heartbreaking to hear but beautiful and raw. Tragic story too, just painful.

G Roy

5y

@Ithaka do u know where i can find the rest of the stuff from those sessions? would really like to hear it.

G Roy

5y

that song man... complete chills, almost made me tear up, completely heartbreaking to hear but beautiful and raw. Tragic story too, just painful.

ithaka

5y

so in 1978 there’s this infamous missing puzzle in the bb history where brian disappeared for a few days

he left his home and a few days later, he was found way down in san diego in pretty ugly bad shape and so what happened during those days remained absolutely unknown to anyone for decades

but around 2015 some fan that found brian during this disappearance finally shared his story with some unseen photos to back it up

so for context here’s this piece from a beach boys book from 1986 that shed some light on it:

JB and his brother were spending a few days in san diego, there from the east coast, and boom of all things they found the one and only brian wandering down the street, imagine the odds as a fan

brian was staying at a fortune teller lady house who was giving him marijuana.. ofc

JB an his brother were beach boys fanatics so they invited brian to join them for dinner that night.

they went to a mexican restaurant in la jolla n they had margarita pitchers and talked about the smile tapes.

after dinner they went back home where brian played on their piano “california feeling” - a new more gospel song he was working on during that era that was gonna be on a beach boys album and be the album title but he backed out i forgot why but for some odd reason, song never was used or saw the light of the day until 2013 in this career boxset:

he played that and well you guessed it the infamous shortenin’ bread jam that i already mentioned above

brian played some more songs, drank a lot of beer and started crying about never measuring up to phil spector 😔😔 @Elric

it sounds wholesome out it that way, from the fan perspective - what a trip! but from brian, the genuis and most beloved artist to suddenly disappear los angeles and roaming all the way down to san diego to be helped by a lady who gave him weed and end up in some fan house singing on the piano and crying... it’s heartbreaking..

G Roy

5y

crazy how much of a good memory that must've been for the fan not knowing the larger picture of what was happening, just crazy stuff. Tragic yet miraculous.

ithaka

5y

so in 1978 there’s this infamous missing puzzle in the bb history where brian disappeared for a few days

he left his home and a few days later, he was found way down in san diego in pretty ugly bad shape and so what happened during those days remained absolutely unknown to anyone for decades

but around 2015 some fan that found brian during this disappearance finally shared his story with some unseen photos to back it up

so for context here’s this piece from a beach boys book from 1986 that shed some light on it:

JB and his brother were spending a few days in san diego, there from the east coast, and boom of all things they found the one and only brian wandering down the street, imagine the odds as a fan

brian was staying at a fortune teller lady house who was giving him marijuana.. ofc

JB an his brother were beach boys fanatics so they invited brian to join them for dinner that night.

they went to a mexican restaurant in la jolla n they had margarita pitchers and talked about the smile tapes.

after dinner they went back home where brian played on their piano “california feeling” - a new more gospel song he was working on during that era that was gonna be on a beach boys album and be the album title but he backed out i forgot why but for some odd reason, song never was used or saw the light of the day until 2013 in this career boxset:

he played that and well you guessed it the infamous shortenin’ bread jam that i already mentioned above

brian played some more songs, drank a lot of beer and started crying about never measuring up to phil spector 😔😔 @Elric

it sounds wholesome out it that way, from the fan perspective - what a trip! but from brian, the genuis and most beloved artist to suddenly disappear los angeles and roaming all the way down to san diego to be helped by a lady who gave him weed and end up in some fan house singing on the piano and crying... it’s heartbreaking..

Fella

5y

This is pretty damn fascinating. There’s all these hidden little moments of their history that get uncovered more and more. Brian is such a secretive guy. I’m so happy he’s in a better place now.

ithaka

5y

yeah it’s sad stories but it needs to be told, it’s reality and part of the legacy

god bless so do i, he’s starting to get old but that’s a luxury im relief we all get to witness, may he relax in peace with his family eating all he desires like a king

Fella

5y

What’s some of your favorite Beach Boys albums, I’ve been meaning to revisit more of them again.