Yeah an adaptation doesnt have to be 1:1 with the comics and can be tailored to the universe. But I just don't see an angle where they're able to adapt it without either rehasing similar plot beats from the first one or getting rid a lot of what makes the court of owls special.

I wouldnt mind the whole swap undead talon for kidnap orphans element being implemented

And yeah he does have a similar dilemma to a degree which would make it repetitive if done again. Even though the specific dilemma really can only come from an experienced batman who been around gotham for years while this Bruce just got back to gotham.

What do you view by villain? Like merely being in the film or plotting against Batman?

I feel like multiple villains will always exist in stories meaning Batman might speak to or investigate Penguin, Riddler, other Bat characters, etc over the course of a film...But i don't know if this could juggle significant primary and secondary villains plotting at the same time or something. First film was 3 hours and the main villain got 20 minutes of screen time. Its not pivoting from Bruce

Like that Reeves quote only indicated finding the right "villain," even though technically multiple will appear. Like is Penguin a villain here? He doesn't really plot against Batman yet. Batman bothers him

Court of owls could be one villain

Nah I’m just talking about a singular antagonist over say a Schumacher/Spider-man 3 situation

All these castings are getting me nervous that we’re gonna deal with multiple motivations etc.

The best part of Batman RIP is when he’s playing cards with the joker. Interrogate away

I get where you're coming from, but what plot beats is it actually rehashing? Like this feels like we're assuming a Court plot has to use a Riddler-type to reveal info to Bruce when that's not the case.

Bruce learns about the Court because he finally attempted to use his wealth to reform the city (an issue raised in The Batman), and the Court announced they're going to murder him in response. The idea someone would use Wayne-level wealth to alter the city is an immediate threat. They otherwise did not care about Batman prior. Then there's the physical Talon threat and the fact they know he's Batman/attack his cave. Those can be two different plots.

I don't think Court will be in Part 2 but Batman will still have these questions until he actually uses his money for real reform (beyond charity). Falcone's gone but crime and corruption only worsen. What's behind it?

Bruce becomes more public, realizes charity work or praying for the right political officials isn't the way, and offers to literally rebuild the city himself. This is all that triggers the Court of Owls. They were otherwise a childhood myth he was never going to discover

They don't have to do this just saying its easier than we think imo

5 years for a sequel

That first promo pic in the (hopefully) new suit gonna hit like crack

TDKR released 4 years after its predecessor so it’s not that bad

Plot beats as in uncovering how deep gotham's corruption goes from the elites and the public sector. Which is not uncommon for a Batman story but adding on the discovery that the Wayne's weren't saints is just very similar to the court of owls storyline.

While you can do that angle, feel like thats not that impactful. Because penguin there to fill falcone void, and this is where the seasoned batman factors in because an older batman would of been through the falcones, penguins, black mask, two faces, and all the rouges and there would still corruption in the city.

On your last point about a seasoned Batman that’s why I’m pretty upset this movie supposedly takes place a few weeks - months later

Would’ve been cool to drop in on him a year or two later to see how he’s grown from the events of the first in both personas

Yeah but Nolan directed Inception in between whereas Reeves has done f*** all

Well just have to agree to disagree and see how it gets done if that’s what they even go with. I don’t see any of this as mandatory, but it’d be worthwhile for a certain expectation of the story.

Whether he faced certain villains first could matter, but they’ll continue to exist and pop up before and after a Court of Owls story anyways. Even your point on mob bosses. What new lesson is Bruce learning from fighting 10 of them over 2-3? Like sure he went through those names, but they’re still free in Gotham running organizations. I don’t find the Penguin argument for filling Falcones roles convincing since that role is a constant in Gotham.

Impact argument is fair, but again were just assuming we know what Part 2 is about and then where Part 3 will take place.

Also Riddler conveniently never targeted the wealthy as a class in The Batman. The wealthy class aren't even in The Batman at all. His dumbass wipes out poor communities, targets corrupt officials, Falcone (mob boss), and Bruce Wayne only for his Wayne/Arkham allegations.

We don’t know who the wealthy are, what they do, or where they are outside of Bruce. They all seem to be recluses, or only congregate at the fancy venues Penguin only now upgraded to and Bruce should be starting to attend. Thomas Wayne tried to use his wealth + public funds to build the city with Gotham Renewal (similar to Bruce in Court of Owls) and randomly was killed before it was taken over.

Not saying they're doing this...there's just so many blatant openings.

The riddler is a dumbass in the third act of 1

This is frankly not allowed to be mid

Gonna miss Frasier

Not exactly new info but important again to note they're calling this a "major role"

ScarJo was hyped as a big role and so is this. Don't recall them actually framing Harvey this way. We're just assuming he is because of prior knowledge of who Harvey is. For all we know currently, Harvey could be the smaller of the 3 roles.

And this is still a movie primarily about digging into Bruce Wayne's past.

F*** it Jack Nicholson retirement role

Wonder if they're gonna have Bruce and Harvey be childhood friends

That's been my thought. Either that or rivals. Either way, maybe Bruce knew either all 3 or Harvey and his dad.

They were pretty slick with the handling of Stan's confirmation. I checked back and ScarJo was also specifically noted as being in talks for a "major role." All they've said about Stan is he'll join Rob and Scarlett in the film

It’s gonna end up being Brolin who I like but it’s sleepy lazy casting if so

Same orphanage as riddler , friends with Harvey was he just a terrible kid that met his future villains

was the brad pitt rumors for harvey dent?