the more i think about this finale the more im glad this show is done instead of spinning its wheels again for another season or two
also anyone saying this show is top 5 anything has to be deluded lmao
No one will give a f*** about this show in a couple years
No one will give a f*** about this show in a couple years
This show will be seen more like Ted Lasso than The goddamn Sopranos lmfao
Wait I'm interested
where would you put Venture Bros or King of the hill
Original beavis and butt head > koth
Utopia a 1 season show I've never even heard of with 6.7 on IMDB and 51% on Rotten Tomatoes
Wait, why is there 2 versions of this show? A 2013 and 2020 one
Talking about the uk version from 2013, not the s*** American one on prime. Has a unique aesthetic, both writing wise and visually
No one will give a f*** about this show in a couple years
No bullshit
Idek how people were watching this after how atrocious season 3 was outside of the last couple episodes
severance > succession
Did they ban this guy? Legit had a d*** ejaculating through a glory hole in his avi
No one will give a f*** about this show in a couple years
The hype getting to people, but it's still a super solid show. Will definitely be a mainstay in many peoples' top 10
Finally was able to watch the finale
Hit all the right notes
People saying this show is overrated or won’t be remembered are just wrong imo this is about as good as it gets from a writing and acting standpoint
It’s not action packed like breaking bad but there’s so much more depth and complexity under the surface compared to a show like that (and I love breaking bad and I’m not even saying this is better). It’s just an exercise in subtlety and character more than it is an exercise in plot and action
The acting is obviously phenomenal top to bottom but man the writing is just so f***ing cutting at times. I think this is the only piece of art to aptly deal with the 2016 election at least that I’ve seen. That’s not easy because a s***load have tried. Pieces like that scene with Kendall ripping Romans stitches out or Shivs arc or the power dynamic between Greg and Tom or Romans complexity is just so developed and poignant. And even though none of these characters are likable people and even though they’re mega rich, corporate execs so removed from any of our realities the writing still makes you feel and still makes you understand them and makes them relevant and meaningful just in shades of grey not black and white. I think I can think about this show for a long time and still grapple with what I felt about things and people and what it was saying about life a and wealth and capitalism because I don’t think it was just always some clear cut theme and that’s a rarity and a mark of a phenomenal show
Have to also remember that this series was just a tiny tiny glimpse into a long and storied family history. It’s easy to think as if the show starts tabula rasa but that’s not the case, we get dropped in the middle of the s***. That kinda helps justify why Shiv thinks Ken is not fit for the job. He might actually really suck in ways we already didn’t see in the series timeline itself lol
I bet there have been so many f*** ups we didn’t see on a consistent basis from the kids which better justifies the ending we got.
Ken wasn’t right for the job clearly even within the shows arc
He f***ing killed someone lol
He consistently f***ed up, got power hungry, spiraled into manic-depressive episodes, etc
He only ever showed flashes - there’s a line in season 2 that paraphrasing says “he has all the tools but never can put them together at the right time”
That was Kendall’s whole arc he’s fundamentally unable to do that job despite feeling like he can. Even in this episode look at how his whole demeanor changes once he thinks he has it
He only operates effectively when he’s on the tightrope
GOT highs were WAY higher and there were more of em.
Succession was nice
Nigga MOTHERFUCK GOT
ITS TOTAL F***ING S***
Finally was able to watch the finale
Hit all the right notes
People saying this show is overrated or won’t be remembered are just wrong imo this is about as good as it gets from a writing and acting standpoint
It’s not action packed like breaking bad but there’s so much more depth and complexity under the surface compared to a show like that (and I love breaking bad and I’m not even saying this is better). It’s just an exercise in subtlety and character more than it is an exercise in plot and action
The acting is obviously phenomenal top to bottom but man the writing is just so f***ing cutting at times. I think this is the only piece of art to aptly deal with the 2016 election at least that I’ve seen. That’s not easy because a s***load have tried. Pieces like that scene with Kendall ripping Romans stitches out or Shivs arc or the power dynamic between Greg and Tom or Romans complexity is just so developed and poignant. And even though none of these characters are likable people and even though they’re mega rich, corporate execs so removed from any of our realities the writing still makes you feel and still makes you understand them and makes them relevant and meaningful just in shades of grey not black and white. I think I can think about this show for a long time and still grapple with what I felt about things and people and what it was saying about life a and wealth and capitalism because I don’t think it was just always some clear cut theme and that’s a rarity and a mark of a phenomenal show
‘The power dynamic between Greg and is just so developed and poignant’
Yeah ok…
This show will be seen more like Ted Lasso than The goddamn Sopranos lmfao
Maybe, Logan goes into the rafters though
‘The power dynamic between Greg and is just so developed and poignant’
Yeah ok…
I’m saying all of these pieces are not just that one
The power dynamic between Greg and Tom is fascinating to me
The way tom latches onto Greg from episode 1 after being s*** on by Logan as a way to feel powerful and then you see this develop into this weird almost friendship but also this power thing for Tom. And then there are times when Greg starts to break out of that and make moves for himself and you see how Tom reacts in those situations where he feels like he’s losing control - safe room, finale, etc. and in the end there’s every reason for Tom to boot Greg but he keeps him and there’s that lasting ambiguity as to whether Tom views Greg as a friend and one of the only things he has left at that point given where his relationship with Shiv has got to or whether it’s just a way for Tom to continue the power hierarchy he had with Greg before via Logan and now via Mattson
It’s one of the funniest bits on the show but there’s a lot to it and I’m sure there’s more to it when you factor in toms relationship with Shiv too given there are some big scenes between Greg and Tom revolving around that
I know yall niggas weren't in here mad at Shiv for being exactly like her f*** ass family.
niggas just salty man lmao
I think some ppl struggle with this show because
A) very little plot development occurs - Logan is about to die in episode 1 and it takes till season 4. All the plot never really amounts to much - the two arcs of pure company plot are basically cruises and gojo
B) very little character development occurs. There are very very few pivotal pieces of character development - the vast majority of character development comes from the more minor characters like Greg and to a lesser degree Tom
The show is more like a character study. Plot becomes almost repetitious at times but you learn more and understand the characters at a deeper level through it and their actions and through that the show can be deep and make social commentary and etc
It feels like a fundamentally different thing to a show like Breaking Bad or Game of Thrones. Not even making an argument about which of those is better but I think they’re just fundamentally different things
There is no single best show
Succession is as good as the best, but there so many little things here that accumulate to make this the most entertaining watch out of any them. Everyone is as funny as Roger Sterling, and is as childish as Paulie, Christopher, Tony, Junior, etc; and the characters are as conniving and manipulative as Walt or Saul. The show paints the evil of capitalism as good as The Wire. Idk. It just does it all.
‘The power dynamic between Greg and is just so developed and poignant’
Yeah ok…
breh just saying words
Ken wasn’t right for the job clearly even within the shows arc
He f***ing killed someone lol
He consistently f***ed up, got power hungry, spiraled into manic-depressive episodes, etc
He only ever showed flashes - there’s a line in season 2 that paraphrasing says “he has all the tools but never can put them together at the right time”
That was Kendall’s whole arc he’s fundamentally unable to do that job despite feeling like he can. Even in this episode look at how his whole demeanor changes once he thinks he has it
He only operates effectively when he’s on the tightrope
they should've had him self-implode then or lose because of his own flaws, instead he won and then they rugpulled him anyway
We already know he changed the tide of the coup votes
Ken just doesn’t have it in him
god that was such a great moment
Im seeing so many bad takes regarding the ending. “Shiv did it for Tom” and “Shiv did it to secure her wealth of her child”.
They already established multiple times in this series that Shiv is literally incapable of loving Tom, Matsson can dispose of Tom any time, and with regards to wealth, all three siblings walked away with billions. She clearly did it because she realized that if she cannot win, then no one can
correct she was always the most entitled and least smart. very unfortunate she destroyed the family and their generational legacy for no reason after being saved by her brothers!
they should've had him self-implode then or lose because of his own flaws, instead he won and then they rugpulled him anyway
He basically did self implode
He had it for a min there and then he f***ed it
Shiv changed her mind because of his character flaws and because he self imploded in that conference room