I had a 6 hour drive and thought about this ending for a major chunk of it. I still don’t know whether Shiv did the right thing or not. I honestly can’t tell whether she just hated Kendall or really was trying to save him from turning into their dad. I also feel like because the series ends painting a specific picture it makes it seem like her decision was best for her kid/family, but we know in reality it wouldn’t take long for things to fall apart in some capacity if it were to continue. Still so conflicted
people keep bring it up that she saved kendall, but i highly doubt that.
at the cost of no benefit to herself, or worse, actually sacrificing herself, has she ever helped anyone else for their own good?
she hasnt.
the reasoning for her decision was never changing and she had never changed (sensing the pattern here?)- she was going to do whatever benefitted her the most.
if conner never tells them to go to the house where she runs into tom, she would have voted for kendall and thats that.
the point being, shiv was always shiv, regardless which way she voted. she wouldnt be considered 'better' or 'worse for whatever she voted, she was always voting for herself
Nothing that nigga says ever actually has any substance to it. It's all buzzwords
Buzzwords and just circling around.
Last seasons big word was "optics"
Nothing that nigga says ever actually has any substance to it. It's all buzzwords
one of the best, favorite and absolutely most frustrating and annoying aspects of the entire show
its extreme with ken, but everyone else does it too, and its just to highlight how full of s*** they are
people keep bring it up that she saved kendall, but i highly doubt that.
at the cost of no benefit to herself, or worse, actually sacrificing herself, has she ever helped anyone else for their own good?
she hasnt.
the reasoning for her decision was never changing and she had never changed (sensing the pattern here?)- she was going to do whatever benefitted her the most.
if conner never tells them to go to the house where she runs into tom, she would have voted for kendall and thats that.
the point being, shiv was always shiv, regardless which way she voted. she wouldnt be considered 'better' or 'worse for whatever she voted, she was always voting for herself
It's kinda funny that Greg's phone call was responsible for swinging the votes in the other direction, that's why Tom sorta cools off a little
Tom is a Starscream ass nigga
Yo. So yeah uhh, you know, I say we just f*** em.
this is how i sound during interviews
this is how i sound during interviews
Menchken has to be the most significant character with the least amount of appearances in the actual series right? He only actually appears in 3-4 episodes
It’s damn painful to watch Kendall beg for Shiv to vote
She already had her mind made up obviously but he really said every wrong thing to just confirm her decision lmao
I guess I’m just surprised becUse I didn’t think they would get it right
But the Roy’s never deserved to win and this is how it always should have ended
Shiv was so proud of herself
Like I know the faces are her thing, but she had the most smug look when she kept telling Kendall no
When she told Kendall he wouldn’t be good at the job without explaining why, idk why but that pissed me off so much lmaoooo
And then Kendall making matters worse by saying literally all the wrong things. Painful amazing scene.
a few thoughts/interpretations
-shiv did not refuse to vote to block the deal because she thought kendall would make a bad ceo. remember that shiv found out that it was tom after she joined ken. shiv has far more manageable leverage over tom that will allow her to exercise some executive control over waystar (which is all she ever really wanted).
that's why shiv said it's because kendall killed somebody. that's the only real leverage she would've had to stop kendall from doing whatever he wanted as ceo and it's far too destructive and therefore useless. shiv carrying tom's child is enough leverage for her to call some shots at waystar thru tom. and then there's all of the other s*** she could leak too.
shiv wasn't doing a noble thing by refusing kendall as ceo, but i have to give credit where it's due bc as soon as she saw kendall show no remorse/fear when she mentioned that kid's death she knew he was going to be impossible to control with that much power.
-i also think that--at least at the moment he died--logan would have wanted tom to take over as ceo. i think a lot of succession was about logan realizing that his children could never be like him because they never had to work for anything. tom actually had to work for something and he was young enough to have no real opinions other than the ones he adopted from logan as to how to run the company. logan also clearly respected tom for his loyalty and willingness to be a sociopath.
a few thoughts/interpretations
-shiv did not refuse to vote to block the deal because she thought kendall would make a bad ceo. remember that shiv found out that it was tom after she joined ken. shiv has far more manageable leverage over tom that will allow her to exercise some executive control over waystar (which is all she ever really wanted).
that's why shiv said it's because kendall killed somebody. that's the only real leverage she would've had to stop kendall from doing whatever he wanted as ceo and it's far too destructive and therefore useless. shiv carrying tom's child is enough leverage for her to call some shots at waystar thru tom. and then there's all of the other s*** she could leak too.
shiv wasn't doing a noble thing by refusing kendall as ceo, but i have to give credit where it's due bc as soon as she saw kendall show no remorse/fear when she mentioned that kid's death she knew he was going to be impossible to control with that much power.
-i also think that--at least at the moment he died--logan would have wanted tom to take over as ceo. i think a lot of succession was about logan realizing that his children could never be like him because they never had to work for anything. tom actually had to work for something and he was young enough to have no real opinions other than the ones he adopted from logan as to how to run the company. logan also clearly respected tom for his loyalty and willingness to be a sociopath.
That last paragraph is 🔥