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  • Aug 29, 2022

    The Netherlands ignores a lot of parts about its own history, but the history of communist resistance during Nazi occupation and the political repression of those same communists post-WW2, or the collaboration with the Dutch govt extraditing Dutch communists to Nazi concentration camps is probably the least acknowledged

    Probably less than 1% of this country even knows about it, let alone the extent to which @Y0rn

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    Dutch intelligence agency wild

    The GANGSTER nature of the state as parenti would say

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    wowktv.com/news/man-dead-after-officer-involved-shooting-at-nutter-fort-funeral-home

    Geoblocked outside USA, I'm wondering what happened here?

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    Scratchin Mamba

    Dutch intelligence agency wild

    The GANGSTER nature of the state as parenti would say

    Gangsters up the kazoo...

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    SEGA GOON

    https://www.wowktv.com/news/man-dead-after-officer-involved-shooting-at-nutter-fort-funeral-home/

    Geoblocked outside USA, I'm wondering what happened here?

    Officers shot and killed a man at his fathers funeral cuz he had a warrant

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    SEGA GOON

    1980: Passenger jet Itavia Flight 870 crashes over the ocean. Investigators think it was shot down, but investigations get blocked by authorities. 81 people die. Later, Libya gets blamed for it.

    1988: Two of the witnessing pilots of Itavia Flight 870 are about to testify in an Italian tribune. Two weeks prior, they participate in an airshow in Ramstein Air Base, Germany and their planes collide in an accident. The collision and the ensuing explosion lead to 70 deaths and over 1000 injuries. The US military does not allow German ambulances to come inside the base, which presumably led to further deaths. Some badly burnt victims were transported on pick-up trucks into hospitals 50 kilometers away by people with no German skills or geographical knowledge of the area, without any doctors accompanying them, as the Americans refused to give over the victims to German emergency services.

    1980: Another pilot witnessing Itavia Flight 870 dies in a car crash, Tedoldi.

    1981: Another military witness dies of heart failure at age 37.
    1983: The mayor of the city near the crash site of Itavia Flight 870 dies in a car crash.

    1987: Another witness who operated the radars is found hung in a forest.

    1991: Another radar operator is shot by unknown assailants.

    1992: Another witness died in a car crash.

    1992: Another witness died before having to give his testimony in an air sports accident.

    1993: An air force general is stabbed to death by unknown assailants.

    1995: The last military witness, also being invited to testify, is found hung in a forest.

    2013: All tapes regarding the flight are suddenly lost.

    But yeah, a NATO military would never engage in a conspiracy would they...

    Found the Putin supporter

  • Nessy 🦎
    Aug 29, 2022
    SEGA GOON

    1980: Passenger jet Itavia Flight 870 crashes over the ocean. Investigators think it was shot down, but investigations get blocked by authorities. 81 people die. Later, Libya gets blamed for it.

    1988: Two of the witnessing pilots of Itavia Flight 870 are about to testify in an Italian tribune. Two weeks prior, they participate in an airshow in Ramstein Air Base, Germany and their planes collide in an accident. The collision and the ensuing explosion lead to 70 deaths and over 1000 injuries. The US military does not allow German ambulances to come inside the base, which presumably led to further deaths. Some badly burnt victims were transported on pick-up trucks into hospitals 50 kilometers away by people with no German skills or geographical knowledge of the area, without any doctors accompanying them, as the Americans refused to give over the victims to German emergency services.

    1980: Another pilot witnessing Itavia Flight 870 dies in a car crash, Tedoldi.

    1981: Another military witness dies of heart failure at age 37.
    1983: The mayor of the city near the crash site of Itavia Flight 870 dies in a car crash.

    1987: Another witness who operated the radars is found hung in a forest.

    1991: Another radar operator is shot by unknown assailants.

    1992: Another witness died in a car crash.

    1992: Another witness died before having to give his testimony in an air sports accident.

    1993: An air force general is stabbed to death by unknown assailants.

    1995: The last military witness, also being invited to testify, is found hung in a forest.

    2013: All tapes regarding the flight are suddenly lost.

    But yeah, a NATO military would never engage in a conspiracy would they...

    hey man long trials like this get depressing and people kill themselves it happens when thales sold 6 warships to taiwan through some shady deals about 4 people decided to jump off of buildings cause they couldnt take the weight of knowing too much

  • Aug 29, 2022

    Imagine if Elon Musk had Fidel Castro level charisma how much worse would his cult be

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    But also him being so awkward makes him relatable to the nerds

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    Scratchin Mamba

    Dutch intelligence agency wild

    The GANGSTER nature of the state as parenti would say

    Dutch intelligence agency (BVD) consisted largely of right wingers and focused mainly on communists post war too. Also look into director Louis Einthoven and Nederlandsche Unie

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    Y0rn

    Dutch intelligence agency (BVD) consisted largely of right wingers and focused mainly on communists post war too. Also look into director Louis Einthoven and Nederlandsche Unie

    consisted

    They used to, but they still do

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    Y0rn

    Dutch intelligence agency (BVD) consisted largely of right wingers and focused mainly on communists post war too. Also look into director Louis Einthoven and Nederlandsche Unie

    Yeah Nederlandsche Uni were just fascists tbh, wild that a founder of the party was allowed to be director of intelligence for so long but not surprising

    I read into Louis a lil bit but not a lot, you got any recommendations

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    Scratchin Mamba

    This article about the resistance against Nazi Germany during WW2 is really interesting. All the way up until the final few months, almost all of the resistance came from communists, the communist party also had 10% of the votes in the first election after WW2. What had happened afterwards was a campaign of anti-communist propaganda, repression, political and social exclusion of communists in the Netherlands to the point where being openly communist would leave you socially excluded and without a job, it's really sad to me that this is the thanks that this country gave to the people who fought most fanatically in the resistance to Germany.

    http://nederlandsecommunisten.nl/rood-gevaar-communisten-nederland-werd-leven-flink-zuur-gemaakt/

    Damn, just read it and had absolutely no idea about this.
    Sounds like the communists were treated as the 'new jews' back then.

    If I remember this correctly this wasn't in my history books in high school

    Also I thought that the SP was a direct product of a communist party, but apparently Groenlinks came out of the CPN according to the article. SP came from Maoism, just found that out.

    Thanks for the article, interesting read

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    KFA

    Damn, just read it and had absolutely no idea about this.
    Sounds like the communists were treated as the 'new jews' back then.

    If I remember this correctly this wasn't in my history books in high school

    Also I thought that the SP was a direct product of a communist party, but apparently Groenlinks came out of the CPN according to the article. SP came from Maoism, just found that out.

    Thanks for the article, interesting read

    Yeah "the new jews" is a way to put it, but in a way that wasn't anything new, the first people to be put in concentration camps in Nazi Germany were communists. You know that famous poem goes "first they came for the communists" actually.

    The Dutch govt also collaborated with Nazi Germany in their prosecution of communists by sending Dutch communists to Germany who would then be put in those concentration camps.

    The post WW2 suppression makes more sense when you realize that the founders of Nederlandsche Unie (basically NSB-lite) would have prominent positions in the govt like our intelligence agency.

    And yeah I wasn't taught about this either, it would kind of hurt the whole idea of the cold war being a struggle for democracy when the supposedly democratic countries took such anti-democratic actions in their fight against communism.

    When learning about all this it makes more sense why socialism hasn't become as prominent here in the Netherlands

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    got this interesting book on May 68 in France today. Guy was interviewed on RevLeft once and it was decent so figured I’d give it a shot even tho it’s clear he leans kinda anarchist. The book mainly consists of interviews with people who were involved heavily so should be enlightening regardless of the author/interviewer’s sympathies

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    Sir Real

    got this interesting book on May 68 in France today. Guy was interviewed on RevLeft once and it was decent so figured I’d give it a shot even tho it’s clear he leans kinda anarchist. The book mainly consists of interviews with people who were involved heavily so should be enlightening regardless of the author/interviewer’s sympathies

    you read the communist hypothesis by Baidou? i really liked his explanation of May 68 being a heterogeneous mix of movements, from e memory think he said there was the students allying with the workers, radical individualism which would give birth to the individualism of neoliberalism and some anarchist s***shit going on at some french theatre

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    Womanpuncher69

    you read the communist hypothesis by Baidou? i really liked his explanation of May 68 being a heterogeneous mix of movements, from e memory think he said there was the students allying with the workers, radical individualism which would give birth to the individualism of neoliberalism and some anarchist s***shit going on at some french theatre

    I have not. That does sound interesting though, so I will check it out even tho I (mostly) dislike Badiou

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    Sir Real

    I have not. That does sound interesting though, so I will check it out even tho I (mostly) dislike Badiou

    hmm how come i know he claims to be a maoist which i don’t see how he actually is since he also denounced the PCP and have no connection to the other various maoist movements but i found his writing to be pretty good overall

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    Also the author of this May 68 book translated a book called A Socialist History of the French Revolution by this guy names Jean Jaurés which sounded interesting so I looked it up and get a load of this dumbfuck 💀

    “ Jaurès was a heterodox Marxist: he rejected the dictatorship of the proletariat and tried to conciliate idealism and materialism, individualism and collectivism, democracy and class struggle, patriotism and internationalism.”

    He also apparently thought he could stop WW1 by personally going to Germany and begging them to chill lol

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    Womanpuncher69

    hmm how come i know he claims to be a maoist which i don’t see how he actually is since he also denounced the PCP and have no connection to the other various maoist movements but i found his writing to be pretty good overall

    Yeah he has zero clue what Maoism actually means and just adopts certain concepts from it that he doesn’t understand and also just seems to like the aesthetic. Also just treats communism generally as an idealist thought exercise and masturbatory tool for academic philosophical nonsense

    His book on Hegel is good. One of three from his “red papers”, the other two are also supposed to be good but I haven’t read them. Have one of the others at home I think, which I should check out

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    Sir Real

    Also the author of this May 68 book translated a book called A Socialist History of the French Revolution by this guy names Jean Jaurés which sounded interesting so I looked it up and get a load of this dumbfuck 💀

    “ Jaurès was a heterodox Marxist: he rejected the dictatorship of the proletariat and tried to conciliate idealism and materialism, individualism and collectivism, democracy and class struggle, patriotism and internationalism.”

    He also apparently thought he could stop WW1 by personally going to Germany and begging them to chill lol

    sounds like a Machist lol

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    Sir Real

    Yeah he has zero clue what Maoism actually means and just adopts certain concepts from it that he doesn’t understand and also just seems to like the aesthetic. Also just treats communism generally as an idealist thought exercise and masturbatory tool for academic philosophical nonsense

    His book on Hegel is good. One of three from his “red papers”, the other two are also supposed to be good but I haven’t read them. Have one of the others at home I think, which I should check out

    And yes I realize I’m writing this with an Althusser avy

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    Sir Real

    got this interesting book on May 68 in France today. Guy was interviewed on RevLeft once and it was decent so figured I’d give it a shot even tho it’s clear he leans kinda anarchist. The book mainly consists of interviews with people who were involved heavily so should be enlightening regardless of the author/interviewer’s sympathies

    let me know how it is

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    deadacc

    let me know how it is

    Just finished the introduction which provides some background. Found it very interesting and gave a lot to think about even tho it’s clear he’s not fully on board with Marxism. Excited to start the interviews to try and get a better understanding of the contradictions at the time

    It’s definitely f*** the PCF and my avy for upholding their revisionism

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