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  • Jul 26, 2022

    Remember when ktt1 gd sxn was just kkktt sxn

    I know @cloud_rap and @Synopsis remember

    Crayz it's basically communism sxn now

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    linkedin is a f***ing hellscape

  • Jul 26, 2022
    krishna bound

    linkedin is a f***ing hellscape

    Hospital should ban fast food deliveries fr

  • Jul 26, 2022
    krishna bound

    linkedin is a f***ing hellscape

    Abolish Linkedin

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    I feel like "every protest is a CIA regime change op" is not a good mindset for so many leftists to have

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    bruh there was a shooter targeting homeless people in BC 3 died including the shooter and this barely made the news well in Ontario i just heard of it after a full day already passing.

    At this point reaction has won this is getting tiring
    bc.ctvnews.ca/3-dead-including-shooting-suspect-in-hours-long-incident-in-langley-b-c-1.6000991

  • Jul 26, 2022
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    the reds

    I feel like "every protest is a CIA regime change op" is not a good mindset for so many leftists to have

    CIA involvement is often more nuanced than just astroturfing everything

    CIA can use real popular protests for their own agenda

  • Jul 26, 2022
    Womanpuncher69

    bruh there was a shooter targeting homeless people in BC 3 died including the shooter and this barely made the news well in Ontario i just heard of it after a full day already passing.

    At this point reaction has won this is getting tiring
    https://bc.ctvnews.ca/3-dead-including-shooting-suspect-in-hours-long-incident-in-langley-b-c-1.6000991

    “He was 28 and was known to police“

    man

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    Scratchin Mamba

    CIA involvement is often more nuanced than just astroturfing everything

    CIA can use real popular protests for their own agenda

    Reactionary forces will try to play their agenda in popular protests which might even have reactionary elements in them, but imo the move is to direct the movement away from them instead of just dismissing them outright, which then guarantees that the organized political groups which do gain traction in the movement will be reactionary.

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    the reds

    I feel like "every protest is a CIA regime change op" is not a good mindset for so many leftists to have

    many leftist are ed

  • Jul 26, 2022
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    Womanpuncher69

    many leftist are ed

    we really gotta stop calling westerners leftists in general, there is no f***ing way we can put Vaush listeners + DSA middle managers + twitter activists + white college kids in the same category as Indian guerilla troop maoists

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    the reds

    Reactionary forces will try to play their agenda in popular protests which might even have reactionary elements in them, but imo the move is to direct the movement away from them instead of just dismissing them outright, which then guarantees that the organized political groups which do gain traction in the movement will be reactionary.

    In the country itself yeah you as a leftist can organize, but you also have to be conscious of how you could contribute to a movement that in the end is going to be redirected for imperialist interests. Unless it's on some revolutionary defeatism type s***

    When talking to americans about these movements it's still crucial to talk about the role of the CIA, not in a reductionist way tho

  • Jul 26, 2022
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    krishna bound

    we really gotta stop calling westerners leftists in general, there is no f***ing way we can put Vaush listeners + DSA middle managers + twitter activists + white college kids in the same category as Indian guerilla troop maoists

    We need a modern day equivalent for eurocommunist

    I propose westoidleftoid

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    krishna bound

    we really gotta stop calling westerners leftists in general, there is no f***ing way we can put Vaush listeners + DSA middle managers + twitter activists + white college kids in the same category as Indian guerilla troop maoists

    feel like u used the indian maoist as an example to pander to me

    overall i agree but the left scene in the west well the marxist based one is still very young and has growing pains to go through, seeing how dead marxism was in the 00s i just see these groups as phases before proper marxist lines to develop

  • Jul 26, 2022
    Scratchin Mamba

    We need a modern day equivalent for eurocommunist

    I propose westoidleftoid

    gonna start calling all social media leftists Neocons

  • Jul 27, 2022
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    Womanpuncher69

    feel like u used the indian maoist as an example to pander to me

    overall i agree but the left scene in the west well the marxist based one is still very young and has growing pains to go through, seeing how dead marxism was in the 00s i just see these groups as phases before proper marxist lines to develop

    Weatoid left still been in a better place than ever post USSR collapse tho

  • Jul 27, 2022
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    feel people who treat the cia as omnipotence is just a cover for their own laziness to organize, same with third worldist and such but won’t lie the latter has been i’ve been getting more fonder of the more doomer i get

  • Jul 27, 2022
    Scratchin Mamba

    Weatoid left still been in a better place than ever post USSR collapse tho

    yeah now the question of is it too late

  • Jul 27, 2022
    Scratchin Mamba

    In the country itself yeah you as a leftist can organize, but you also have to be conscious of how you could contribute to a movement that in the end is going to be redirected for imperialist interests. Unless it's on some revolutionary defeatism type s***

    When talking to americans about these movements it's still crucial to talk about the role of the CIA, not in a reductionist way tho

    At the end of the day we (online leftists) can't contribute much, positive or negative so I wouldn't worry about a take or having the correct take on everything. I just don't like how leftists who read the Wikipedia on color revolution then go on to dismiss every single popular uprising abroad. The Sri Lanka protests rn come to mind, this is obviously a huge popular uprising but because the government is supposedly aligned with China its a CIA color revolution and all the protesters are reactionaries

  • Jul 27, 2022
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    Womanpuncher69

    feel like u used the indian maoist as an example to pander to me

    overall i agree but the left scene in the west well the marxist based one is still very young and has growing pains to go through, seeing how dead marxism was in the 00s i just see these groups as phases before proper marxist lines to develop

    tbh when i think of active insurgent leftists the only countries i mainly think about them in are India & the Phillippines. MENA is weird because it's like marxist to some degree but doesn't play by wider leftist/rightist dichotomies really

    idk about that when it comes to that though too. I mean the west had actual violent leftist revolutionaries in the 60s. Granted, they didn't do s*** except get invaded by the CIA then become sell outs, but they did at least something during the few years they were active. By comparison I cannot at all imagine 60s level violence ever happening again in the US unless it's basically unfocused civilian on civilian (see: summer of 2020). I think the right sentiment exists in much of the west and I'm not like a full third worldist where I think only third worlders can be valid socialists or something, but I do think it's very hard to imagine the collection of those in the west who are A. not cringe and B. not ed coming together to do anything meaningful (violence aside)

  • Jul 27, 2022
    Womanpuncher69

    feel people who treat the cia as omnipotence is just a cover for their own laziness to organize, same with third worldist and such but won’t lie the latter has been i’ve been getting more fonder of the more doomer i get

    i open up twitter and read a single tweet from a self-proclaimed leftist and then immediatedly become a third worldist for at least 24 hours

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    krishna bound

    tbh when i think of active insurgent leftists the only countries i mainly think about them in are India & the Phillippines. MENA is weird because it's like marxist to some degree but doesn't play by wider leftist/rightist dichotomies really

    idk about that when it comes to that though too. I mean the west had actual violent leftist revolutionaries in the 60s. Granted, they didn't do s*** except get invaded by the CIA then become sell outs, but they did at least something during the few years they were active. By comparison I cannot at all imagine 60s level violence ever happening again in the US unless it's basically unfocused civilian on civilian (see: summer of 2020). I think the right sentiment exists in much of the west and I'm not like a full third worldist where I think only third worlders can be valid socialists or something, but I do think it's very hard to imagine the collection of those in the west who are A. not cringe and B. not ed coming together to do anything meaningful (violence aside)

    i was just f***ing around with the pandering i know turkey there’s the TKP/ML that’s considered one of the 3/4 ppw by Maoist.

    The material conditions in the 60 were much different than the post ussr collapse west, in the 60s id say that labour and capital contradictions were at its peak leading to those violent outburst and even movements that had potential for change like May 68, cultural revolution and all the various protest that were going on in the world at the time and unfortunately ended either victory of capital with the defeat of these and others like the Jakarta genocide which methods would be later imported to Chile and Argentina to crush the left there. If the contradictions between labour and capital rise to the point they were in the 60s i can similar movements rising again in the west.

  • Jul 27, 2022

    though i also love Baidou explanation of May 68 being a heterogeneity of various movements and one of em being radical individualism which would give birth to the individualism of neoliberalism.

    May 68 was a big ass mess.

  • Jul 27, 2022
    Womanpuncher69

    i was just f***ing around with the pandering i know turkey there’s the TKP/ML that’s considered one of the 3/4 ppw by Maoist.

    The material conditions in the 60 were much different than the post ussr collapse west, in the 60s id say that labour and capital contradictions were at its peak leading to those violent outburst and even movements that had potential for change like May 68, cultural revolution and all the various protest that were going on in the world at the time and unfortunately ended either victory of capital with the defeat of these and others like the Jakarta genocide which methods would be later imported to Chile and Argentina to crush the left there. If the contradictions between labour and capital rise to the point they were in the 60s i can similar movements rising again in the west.

    Oh, I definitely agree about the 60s being fundamentally different materially, I was just saying that some lineage still does exist from that in the west, so it's not as if it's really "young" in the west per-se, even if there is a renewed interest in Leftist thought among westerners (to varying degrees lol). There's also a renewed interest in integralism & nazism in the west but I wouldn't say that's exactly young or new either. Most politics really does just kinda come down to subtle sorting into partisan categories or extrapolated layered LARPing in the west