plants

4y

whole world black and white huh

Mango

4y

That's you! You're the one saying black and white

plants

4y

im literally saying that the production of animal products is inextricably linked with politics because its lawmakers and tax dollars that is propping up this horrible industry! its very gray!

Mango

4y

And I'm telling you shaming people for their grocery list is not a political solution to that issue. You are treating people as black and white. I'm treating the situation like something bigger.

americana

4y

There are more pressing material issues than the morality of animal husbandry/exploitation

plants

4y

And I'm glad other people are focusing on those issues! We can't all do everything.

americana

4y

Not how it works

plants

4y

go on....

krishna bound

4y

food ethics debates are cool but can we talk about how over the past like several weeks there's been massive destructions of like legit every major food processing plant in the US like one after another, and it's like virtually all plants which happen to deal with organic foods

4/21 - "unidentified plane" crashes into idaho potato plant
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/nation-world/national/article260423897.html

4/19 - fire destroys azure standard hq (biggest organic distributor in the US)
https://www.columbiagorgenews.com/news/fire-destroys-azure-standard-headquarter-facility/article_7df4657c-c03e-11ec-a8c2-5f88e266c6db.html

4/14 - fire at salinas food processing plant
https://abc7news.com/taylor-farms-fire-salinas-evacuation-shelter-in-place-california-ammonia-explosion-risk/11747214/

4/12 - 16 hour fire at conway beef & pork plant in NH
https://www.wmur.com/article/crews-battled-fire-16-hours-conway-new-hampshire-41222/39707759?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot

4/1 - fire at fresh onion packing plant in south texas
https://www.producebluebook.com/2022/04/01/rio-freshs-onion-warehouse-damaged-in-fire/#

this isn't even all of them there's been like 2-4 of these a week since mid-february

deadacc

4y

the f***

Scratchin Mamba

4y

To add on to this one of the main things that promote meat eating in culture is religion.

Growing up in a Ethiopian christian orthodox household I was always told as a young kid that animals were brought on this planet by god for our survival, that's pretty deeply rooted lol, and of course you got many religious/cultural customs that involve eating meat. And of course none of this is due to colonialism because Ethiopia was never colonized and adopted christianity before any European country did.

Funnily enough tho my mom later became a vegetarian tho, and everytime she tells somebody who's Ethiopian she doesn't eat meat they're absolutely dumbfounded

What this also means is that when you're promoting veganism, if you wanna reach certain communities you're gonna have to be careful that they won't perceive it as just another part of westernization and taking away from their culture, which is in itself ofc a very real thing. Like here in the Netherlands there was some discussiom about certain practices in slaughtering and it was quickly turned into a culture war issue with muslim immigrants. Tbh a lot of grillpilled fellas with immigrant background already see veganism as a whole as some goofy western bullshit so that's also def smth to think about @plants

plants

4y

And I'm glad other people are focusing on those issues! We can't all do everything.

deadacc

4y

ik you're getting some hostility towards certain orientations you have on your positions but i think this is actually a important point.

collectively and as collectivists we have strength in celebrating our diversity of experience and approach. however this is an issue of intersectionality where an intersectional a***ysis is incredibly important.

capitalism perpetuates carnism through similar mechanisms in which it also perpetuates racism and sexism. as also with moving towards the abolishment of racism and sexism, both horizontal and vertical approaches are necessary to be effective, but these non-principal contradictions will only ever truly be resolved once capitalism has itself resolved into socialism.

like you said earlier, the development of these things is in parallel, but it is also interlinked and heavily determined by the intrinsic economic base of society.

i think you're doing good work advocating for veganism, but it's important to understand that the horizontal AND vertical intersectional approaches to abolishing carnism requires simultaneous revolutions of the economic AND social structures of society.

i just don't want your work to be wasted when it is important work

plants

4y

yeah imma be honest i just aint got it in me to be active in another area like I am with veganism thru my street activism and with my day job working at a homeless shelter. i can barely fit that stuff in and also be a good husband, stay fit and eat healthy, spend time with friends and family, etc.

i really appreciate your reply man

krishna bound

4y

food ethics debates are cool but can we talk about how over the past like several weeks there's been massive destructions of like legit every major food processing plant in the US like one after another, and it's like virtually all plants which happen to deal with organic foods

4/21 - "unidentified plane" crashes into idaho potato plant
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/nation-world/national/article260423897.html

4/19 - fire destroys azure standard hq (biggest organic distributor in the US)
https://www.columbiagorgenews.com/news/fire-destroys-azure-standard-headquarter-facility/article_7df4657c-c03e-11ec-a8c2-5f88e266c6db.html

4/14 - fire at salinas food processing plant
https://abc7news.com/taylor-farms-fire-salinas-evacuation-shelter-in-place-california-ammonia-explosion-risk/11747214/

4/12 - 16 hour fire at conway beef & pork plant in NH
https://www.wmur.com/article/crews-battled-fire-16-hours-conway-new-hampshire-41222/39707759?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot

4/1 - fire at fresh onion packing plant in south texas
https://www.producebluebook.com/2022/04/01/rio-freshs-onion-warehouse-damaged-in-fire/#

this isn't even all of them there's been like 2-4 of these a week since mid-february

space0cadet

4y

Where the f*** do you even find out about this s***

krishna bound

4y

i procrastinate during work hours by just surfing the web and i look at a lot of different ideological circles so sometimes you see tips in the wild about crazy stuff and then google it and it's true lol

space0cadet

4y

What sites do you use to peruse peoples ideological circles

Cudderwalks

4y

Gang of Four gang or don’t bang

fun guy

4y

only gang of four i acknowledge