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  • Jan 21, 2022
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    space0cadet

    I've been thinking about getting the f*** out but i'm not sure how. I feel like living in any european country is better but it probably has very very similar flaws

    Been thinking about moving to latin america too but living standards would just massively drop + climate change would hit hard. no idea

    Man i wanna go to copenhagen

  • Jan 21, 2022
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    Art

    Man i wanna go to copenhagen

  • Jan 21, 2022
    space0cadet

  • Jan 21, 2022

    Yeah, I'm a Dengist, how'd you know?

  • space0cadet

    I've been thinking about getting the f*** out but i'm not sure how. I feel like living in any european country is better but it probably has very very similar flaws

    Been thinking about moving to latin america too but living standards would just massively drop + climate change would hit hard. no idea

    Buenos Aires looks dope as f*** Colombia and Brazil got some sick spots too but a bit more dangerous

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    @spacecadet do you know any good books on gramsci?

    i know the gist of some of his popular concepts but i want to read deeper

  • Jan 23, 2022
    sniper

    @spacecadet do you know any good books on gramsci?

    i know the gist of some of his popular concepts but i want to read deeper

    I suppose the prison notebooks by Gramsci would be

    Kind of a long read tho

  • Jan 23, 2022
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    this is just a random off note but i continually see discussions on this topic all over twitter/reddit/this forum/general internet, and i think there needs to be a serious discussion on how the US is not as competent as it was in the 60-80s and why it can no longer be considered some type of omnipotent "great satan"-esque hydra; the remainder of the US "empire" is honestly more symbolic of the damages and influences of this than it is actually actively an entity in that direction.
    every time anything happens virtually anywhere (domestic or international), the default assumption of virtually everyone from all ideological backgrounds is to go "oh its the feds again". the theoretical status of US intelligence agencies has been elevated to a literal omnipotent all-powerful mythological status in the eyes of virtually all US detractors.
    i'm not saying the US still doesn't universally f*** around (like yeah of course they do) and that fed ops aren't real (fed entrapment is obviously still real), that's obviously not the case or anything, but i think it should be acknowledged just how weak, quasi-symbolic, and honestly laughable the actual internal operations of the US are these days; the only thing the US intelligence/military has going for it is money - it literally has almost nothing else. It's a completely fractured, incompetent, self-serving system.
    Now don't get me wrong, sometimes wielding enough money is itself a powerful tool - especially if you look at sanctions or rebel arms funneling (i.e. Syria, Iran), but these scenarios are far more out in the open and follow simplistic international relations rather than really covert secret operations - and moreso, these operations usually suck. Assad is still in power despite everything the US has done. And while people like to (myself included, and rightfully so) point to Libya as an example of the US still possessing despicable regime change power, and while that's true, I think it should be acknowledged a lot of the fault there also really lies on Libya themselves for essentially trusting the US in any way shape or form and then allowing the US to shank them in the back. When countries basically tell the US to piss off (remember Juan Guaido lmao), the most the US can do is cripple them economically (which is still bad + influential to be clear) - the US's covert ops and wider "hard power" is increasingly decrepit outside of controlling banking basically - which ironically is at odds with the desires of many corporations; look at Coca-Cola for example, which is against US sanctions of Iran because they lose money not importing to that market and have to cheat sanctions. Even large domestic corporations (more powerful than the "real" government) basically are often at odds with the will of the "old guard" military complex, which by now has been quasi-compressed into "military/intelligence having the ability to manipulate banking diplomacy"; actual US military/intelligence power can barely work even in countries that literally do not even have centralized government antagonists.
    the status of US intelligence and also the power of the US military in terms of global influence isn't what it used to be in the 60s, but everyone still basically talks about them as if they are; in reality, i think it probably needs to be acknowledged how much of the US soft power exported comes not from the government but basically from the influence of media & larger conglomerate corporations (which serve themselves are international conglomerates essentially rather than the US as a central entity) as a far more omnipotent branch of authority. Like the media/corporate-industrial complex arguably wields far more power and international (and domestic) influence than the military/intelligence-industrial complex these days, and the factors that go into that are very distinct from the old, heavily simplistic and narrow pro-western bloc goals. everyone still seems to talk about US as if it's the 60s and the context is still the same as the cold war.

  • Jan 23, 2022
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    sniper

    @spacecadet do you know any good books on gramsci?

    i know the gist of some of his popular concepts but i want to read deeper

    i've only read the selections of the prison notebooks

  • Jan 23, 2022
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    space0cadet

    i've only read the selections of the prison notebooks

    is the stuff on cultural hegemony in those

  • Jan 23, 2022
    Synopsis

    is the stuff on cultural hegemony in those

    yes but be warned his writing is sometimes incomprehensible, hard read

  • Jan 23, 2022
    krishna bound

    this is just a random off note but i continually see discussions on this topic all over twitter/reddit/this forum/general internet, and i think there needs to be a serious discussion on how the US is not as competent as it was in the 60-80s and why it can no longer be considered some type of omnipotent "great satan"-esque hydra; the remainder of the US "empire" is honestly more symbolic of the damages and influences of this than it is actually actively an entity in that direction.
    every time anything happens virtually anywhere (domestic or international), the default assumption of virtually everyone from all ideological backgrounds is to go "oh its the feds again". the theoretical status of US intelligence agencies has been elevated to a literal omnipotent all-powerful mythological status in the eyes of virtually all US detractors.
    i'm not saying the US still doesn't universally f*** around (like yeah of course they do) and that fed ops aren't real (fed entrapment is obviously still real), that's obviously not the case or anything, but i think it should be acknowledged just how weak, quasi-symbolic, and honestly laughable the actual internal operations of the US are these days; the only thing the US intelligence/military has going for it is money - it literally has almost nothing else. It's a completely fractured, incompetent, self-serving system.
    Now don't get me wrong, sometimes wielding enough money is itself a powerful tool - especially if you look at sanctions or rebel arms funneling (i.e. Syria, Iran), but these scenarios are far more out in the open and follow simplistic international relations rather than really covert secret operations - and moreso, these operations usually suck. Assad is still in power despite everything the US has done. And while people like to (myself included, and rightfully so) point to Libya as an example of the US still possessing despicable regime change power, and while that's true, I think it should be acknowledged a lot of the fault there also really lies on Libya themselves for essentially trusting the US in any way shape or form and then allowing the US to shank them in the back. When countries basically tell the US to piss off (remember Juan Guaido lmao), the most the US can do is cripple them economically (which is still bad + influential to be clear) - the US's covert ops and wider "hard power" is increasingly decrepit outside of controlling banking basically - which ironically is at odds with the desires of many corporations; look at Coca-Cola for example, which is against US sanctions of Iran because they lose money not importing to that market and have to cheat sanctions. Even large domestic corporations (more powerful than the "real" government) basically are often at odds with the will of the "old guard" military complex, which by now has been quasi-compressed into "military/intelligence having the ability to manipulate banking diplomacy"; actual US military/intelligence power can barely work even in countries that literally do not even have centralized government antagonists.
    the status of US intelligence and also the power of the US military in terms of global influence isn't what it used to be in the 60s, but everyone still basically talks about them as if they are; in reality, i think it probably needs to be acknowledged how much of the US soft power exported comes not from the government but basically from the influence of media & larger conglomerate corporations (which serve themselves are international conglomerates essentially rather than the US as a central entity) as a far more omnipotent branch of authority. Like the media/corporate-industrial complex arguably wields far more power and international (and domestic) influence than the military/intelligence-industrial complex these days, and the factors that go into that are very distinct from the old, heavily simplistic and narrow pro-western bloc goals. everyone still seems to talk about US as if it's the 60s and the context is still the same as the cold war.

    Someone’s got to write a book about this
    And this someone will be you

  • Jan 23, 2022
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    People talk about the inherent problems in America’s education system, but what are they? (generally)
    @krishna_bound help me out

  • Jan 23, 2022
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    Lou

    People talk about the inherent problems in America’s education system, but what are they? (generally)
    @krishna_bound help me out

    Education reproduces the capitalist system and is also a reflection of it

  • Jan 23, 2022
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    Education reproduces the capitalist system and is also a reflection of it

    too general

  • Jan 23, 2022
    Lou

    too general

    thats really what it boils down too tho. i mean we could look at the way schools are funded, the way curriculum isn't at all attached to material conditions, etc., but if you want the inherent problem, it is because its used to reproduce capitalism

  • Jan 23, 2022
    Lou

    People talk about the inherent problems in America’s education system, but what are they? (generally)
    @krishna_bound help me out

    it's a really complex issue and it's hard to really give a quick synopsis of which is why I think you don't usually see people write it out as opposed to kind of compressing it textually. the issue with the education system really spans a lot of different categories and it's not just intrinsic to schooling as a concept but also covers the kind of institutional influence that education as a whole has on economics, social interactions, culture, etc. It's really something which requires the span of a book to write about rather than a short form post, or honestly probably even too lengthy for a short essay/write-up.
    If I had to give you something of an overview, I'd probably say here's a starting point of a list of issues:
    -education as an institution largely has become symbolic of a theoretical institution rather than an institution itself - that is, if the point of an institution is to fill a goal (i.e. factories manufacture goods - a court deals judicial rulings - etc), modern education largely only symbolizes educating students but is treated by all means (like societally) as if it is still actually doing that. This isn't to say learning doesn't happen, but rather than very often schooling is not structured in a manner in which educating in a meaningful manner is the primary goal - the goal is instead to produce a result that can be symbolically interpreted as being educated, thus not actually equipping children with education
    -severe misincentive issues ; this either be local or on a higher level, and often stems from the nature of how schools are organized relative to wider communities both within the frame of law as well as frame of social society. examples really range here being pushing kids into sports because sports = funding, all the way to overdiagnosing kids with disorders in attempts to rack up special education funding, all the way to misincentives of educating as a means of education vs as a means of passing a test. this one really ranges
    -probably and most severely, social issues in schools. The way schools deal with mental health and handling of student issues is beyond insane. public schooling especially produces more trauma in young kids then they will at virtually any other point in their lives. this isn't just because of kids interacting, it's because of how schools deal with it - especially schools attempting to behaviorally police kids
    -school as a binding force creates a pipeline in which arbitrary educators essentially become powerful local bureaucrats and this creates a heavy economic binding where local school districts can often subject kids & parents to arbitrary situations. especially if there are heavily biased adminstrators or educators, students are very much stuck with them depending on local politics ; i mean many schools essentially create a system in which teachers can have more power over a student than a parent for example, but without providing any real inherent value in this relationship
    -the checks and balances of how school boards work and how this works structurally with school administration additionally are extremely corrupt and utterly absurd
    -school and policy regulation really has issues in consistency and also in actually providing reason or meaning for kids, and very often leans into bizarre biases or misincentivized actions and policies
    -the way schools are funded, teachers are qualified, hired, and the way policy is created for schools is absolutely insane and it's more insane when you consider how much these things often hurt familiesi or children and are made w/o any of their involvement whatsoever
    -corruption within teachers unions:

    there are many other issues and like i mentioned it's extremely dense. a lot of things can be boiled down to words like "misincentives", "misregulation", etc. but they don't really go far enough in speaking as to why or how it's a problem. this is what happens when you go almost half a century of boiling a problem more and more thinking it won't overflow the pot. eventually it does overflow but it becomes a challenge to explain what's actually in the pot because it's been so long and so many things have been added to it over time.

  • Jan 23, 2022
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    Synopsis

    Education reproduces the capitalist system and is also a reflection of it

    Reducing it to simply ‘capitalism’ is counterproductive, if it reproduced capitalism only then why would people go to university and achieve their “degrees” in studies supposedly antithetical to capitalism? The root of capitalism is imperialism and it’s a dogmatised imperialist ‘view’ of the world that is taught in mass education that corrodes all intellectual capacity.

  • Jan 23, 2022
    mythic

    Reducing it to simply ‘capitalism’ is counterproductive, if it reproduced capitalism only then why would people go to university and achieve their “degrees” in studies supposedly antithetical to capitalism? The root of capitalism is imperialism and it’s a dogmatised imperialist ‘view’ of the world that is taught in mass education that corrodes all intellectual capacity.

    any system is rife with contradictions lol, and the one you pointed out is one of the central ones in regards to capitalism and education

  • Jan 23, 2022

    Also I think you have the imperialist-capitalism relationship backwards. imperialism has grown out of capitalism. the need for capitalist growth spawned imperialism.

  • Nessy 🦎
    Jan 23, 2022
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    krishna bound

    this is just a random off note but i continually see discussions on this topic all over twitter/reddit/this forum/general internet, and i think there needs to be a serious discussion on how the US is not as competent as it was in the 60-80s and why it can no longer be considered some type of omnipotent "great satan"-esque hydra; the remainder of the US "empire" is honestly more symbolic of the damages and influences of this than it is actually actively an entity in that direction.
    every time anything happens virtually anywhere (domestic or international), the default assumption of virtually everyone from all ideological backgrounds is to go "oh its the feds again". the theoretical status of US intelligence agencies has been elevated to a literal omnipotent all-powerful mythological status in the eyes of virtually all US detractors.
    i'm not saying the US still doesn't universally f*** around (like yeah of course they do) and that fed ops aren't real (fed entrapment is obviously still real), that's obviously not the case or anything, but i think it should be acknowledged just how weak, quasi-symbolic, and honestly laughable the actual internal operations of the US are these days; the only thing the US intelligence/military has going for it is money - it literally has almost nothing else. It's a completely fractured, incompetent, self-serving system.
    Now don't get me wrong, sometimes wielding enough money is itself a powerful tool - especially if you look at sanctions or rebel arms funneling (i.e. Syria, Iran), but these scenarios are far more out in the open and follow simplistic international relations rather than really covert secret operations - and moreso, these operations usually suck. Assad is still in power despite everything the US has done. And while people like to (myself included, and rightfully so) point to Libya as an example of the US still possessing despicable regime change power, and while that's true, I think it should be acknowledged a lot of the fault there also really lies on Libya themselves for essentially trusting the US in any way shape or form and then allowing the US to shank them in the back. When countries basically tell the US to piss off (remember Juan Guaido lmao), the most the US can do is cripple them economically (which is still bad + influential to be clear) - the US's covert ops and wider "hard power" is increasingly decrepit outside of controlling banking basically - which ironically is at odds with the desires of many corporations; look at Coca-Cola for example, which is against US sanctions of Iran because they lose money not importing to that market and have to cheat sanctions. Even large domestic corporations (more powerful than the "real" government) basically are often at odds with the will of the "old guard" military complex, which by now has been quasi-compressed into "military/intelligence having the ability to manipulate banking diplomacy"; actual US military/intelligence power can barely work even in countries that literally do not even have centralized government antagonists.
    the status of US intelligence and also the power of the US military in terms of global influence isn't what it used to be in the 60s, but everyone still basically talks about them as if they are; in reality, i think it probably needs to be acknowledged how much of the US soft power exported comes not from the government but basically from the influence of media & larger conglomerate corporations (which serve themselves are international conglomerates essentially rather than the US as a central entity) as a far more omnipotent branch of authority. Like the media/corporate-industrial complex arguably wields far more power and international (and domestic) influence than the military/intelligence-industrial complex these days, and the factors that go into that are very distinct from the old, heavily simplistic and narrow pro-western bloc goals. everyone still seems to talk about US as if it's the 60s and the context is still the same as the cold war.

    What they’ve been doing since clinton is use anti corruption laws to attack any foreign company that goes against the interests of their own companies

    Foreign companies that either have employees in america or use us dollar can get charged for corruption and they put a few executives in prison for this just to help US corporations win contracts in foreign countries

    That’s the kind of meddling they do now but they don’t try to fw politics too much since they’ve realized how much of an expensive mess they leave behind every time

  • Jan 23, 2022
    Nessy

    What they’ve been doing since clinton is use anti corruption laws to attack any foreign company that goes against the interests of their own companies

    Foreign companies that either have employees in america or use us dollar can get charged for corruption and they put a few executives in prison for this just to help US corporations win contracts in foreign countries

    That’s the kind of meddling they do now but they don’t try to fw politics too much since they’ve realized how much of an expensive mess they leave behind every time

    Yeah this is definitely true, but it's kinda also my point. A lot of this isn't really geopolitical stuff, because the US government and its military complex are extremely weak by legacy metrics. It's rather than large capitalist conglomerates have themselves literally subsumed the mechanisms put in place by said prior complex and now wield that power. It's why the US seems to fail at doing anything geopolitical besides financial diplomacy/economic manipulation, but seems to only continue to succeed if the goal is helmed by furthering the goal of a specific corporation over general political meddling.

  • Jan 24, 2022
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    mythic

    Reducing it to simply ‘capitalism’ is counterproductive, if it reproduced capitalism only then why would people go to university and achieve their “degrees” in studies supposedly antithetical to capitalism? The root of capitalism is imperialism and it’s a dogmatised imperialist ‘view’ of the world that is taught in mass education that corrodes all intellectual capacity.

    Which degrees are antithetical to capitalism? Lol