When you say Capital, do you mean the book by Thomas Piketty?

Yea I need to dive more into Marx with a more mature perspective.

Capital Vol.1 by Marx himself

Will do

You can still be a Marxist tho imo, there are plenty of liberals out there who never read the works of John Locke or let alone understand him.

Does it make you capable of any position in leadership? Absolutely not, but you can still be a Marxist.

Maybe but imo The difference is that we are raised as liberals

We aren’t raised as Marxists. Unless we are raised in a Marxist framework or are versed in the concepts of Marx, then we will naturally gonna do lib s***

For sure, but it's just unrealistic for everybody to be nerds reading a bunch of books like us lmao

It's not like in the past the masses supported revolution because they were convinced of the a***ytical power of dialectical materialism, they just reckoned it was in their interest

Yea there’s definitely somethin here

to reply to your earlier post capitalism emerged out of feudalism when the peasants were completely landless and locked out of subsistence, forcing them to sell their labor power to the land "owning" ruling class. This process is known as proletarianization. the proletarian class has been extorted of the means of production through bourgeois morality and "private ownership" of the means of production. therefore the proletarian must sell themselves and their labor power for extractive purposes in order to survive.

you follow the understanding of how forms of barbarism have evolved throughout history ie feudalism -> slavery -> capitalism. and you're correct in the assertion that what we have now is simply an advanced form of capitalism with the addition of the "first world" luxuries few of the proletarian are able to consume at the expense of their brethren in the third world. this can and will continue for as long as humanly possible until a devastating enough disruption can prevent it from continuing.

this leads us to the inherent contradictions of capitalism. 1 is that capitalism overproduces while subverting demand. this is plainly visible in the boom and bust cycles of capitalism. recession and depression are the unavoidable results of this first contradiction.
2 is that capitalism relies on infinite growth in a planet with finite resources. this more importantly is the disruption i was talking about earlier. capitalism will inevitably lead to a mass extinction.

given the options of 1. capitalism collapsing into fascism and barbarism 2. capitalism destroying its own reproduction leading to mass extinction or 3. the masses owning the means of production and stewarding them for the benefit of all, only one is abundantly clear to be the moral solution. and you should know that the will of the holy spirit is ultimately the same as the direct goal of communism. don't let the bourgeois propagandists disturb you from that truth.

Freedom yes, but for whom? :elon:
To do what?

That makes sense

Side note, am I wrong for believing that Marxism and Socialism is a very old world train of thought? Meaning, the various innovations we've received via tech, ai, even in construction wouldn't be capable under what you guys adhere to?

marxism is an a***ytical framework to examine the material conditions of a society with. it's called dialectical materialism: dialectical meaning examining where contradictions occur and materialism meaning examining the observable material reality.

dialectical materialism accounts for all changes in material reality thats what makes it materialist. if it failed to observe material conditions it would no longer be dialectical materialism.

societies are composed of many simultaneous moving parts that each interact with each other independently and congruently. these interactions produce contradictions and material conditions which we can observe.

while marx was incorrect in certain assumptions he was undeniably correct in others. for instance he predicted of a point in time where over time the productive forces could in fact overcome scarcity. this point of superabundance is a prerequisite for communism. at this point in time we are arguably very near the point of superabundance taking into account ai and technological innovation. given that we have more houses than homeless people in the us and that we dispose of tons of more food than required to feed every hungry person, the issues of scarcity in the US are for the most part artificial and enforced by the ruling class. these are the material conditions of the us.

in this instance, the dialectic here is of the ruling class claiming "private ownership" of the means of production and sentencing millions to the violence of poverty, while the masses seek to reclaim as much of their stolen produce as possible.

under capitalism, even citizens of perhaps the richest country in the history of the world, with an entire century of global misappropriation, can starve to death. the stated demand of socialism is to instead use the innovations of technology for the benefit of everyone, instead of focusing on an organization of society that has one singular focus of upwards resource extraction.

Essentially, we see the remnant of proletarianism with the push for pseudo-small businesses and meme entrepreneurship. Underneath that pride of 'ownership' is a glorified labor-to-hire warzone. The reason why people live under that delusion is due to the Image of the Beast, or the American Dream... Capitalism or American Philosophies. That image entails, a watered down education, religious system and business sector.

Yes while the path of barbarism brings forth feudalism - slavery - capitalism, help me understand this: Maybe this is where I'm falling at my understanding. I've been following Rome's 'Direct Democracy' the past year or so. I see the similarities within Rome & America & particularly how Rome dealt with the Israelites of that time is eerily similar to how America deals with so called Blacks today and am currently failing to see how capitalism was enforced in their culture.

(I agree with mostly everything in that post above ^ except the Holy Spirit portion. The Holy Spirit divides the wheat from the tares, it helps us properly judge the times n season. Politically, the Holy Spirit falls under a Monarchy/Aristoritic belief system which resides under the Israelites and their Priests, Kings, Judges, etc.)

Dealing w the later post:

When you speak of Super Abundance, that's when I get learly on some 'dawg, this is when the bs happens' because inherently the ruling class will adapt to what benefits them in the long run.

Us moving towards subscription based systems including our home appliances will only further their cause.

Thanks man. I'm gonna meditate on this and pick back up on Marx.

My main problem is the absolute removal of spiritual adherence to The Most High. That alone is Luciferian and eventually corruptible. Again, this will be the downfall of your belief system. No matter how charismatic or even nuanced someone is with the Scriptures, we inherently know those who belong to the game. Even in Islam, Farrakhan is a mason. No matter how much 'truth' he speaks, it comes from a 'protected' angle akin to fake whistleblowers in mainstream media.

Question is, where does discernment kick in on how to judge a leader? I have the 10 commandments, Jesus & prophecies to understand what's right n wrong. Wbu?

it's true! american barbarism and the american empire descends from the roman empire philologically. in the exact same manner they will go to your town and crucify/lynch you in order to establish hierarchy and enforce hegemony.

and i mean in the sense of the holy spirit being the collectivist organization of the masses to carry out the original will of jesus.

and on the last point, super abundance under capitalism will lead to mass extinction as it revolves around overconsumption and exponential growth, rather than sustainable levels of production that are in harmony with the demands of the people and the planet. this is why revolution is necessary, because reformism will only ever grant more pleasurable treats while simultaneously doing nothing to prevent the inevitable collapse.

marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1905/misc/socialism-churches.htm

really great piece by rosa luxemburg that i think you'd find interesting

"Instead of comforting the people, who are full of cares and wearied by their hard lives, who go to church with faith in Christianity, the priests fulminate against the workers who are on strike, and against the opponents of the government; further, they exhort them to bear poverty and oppression with humility and patience. They turn the church and the pulpit into a place of political propaganda."

I enjoy reading some of the users posts itt, but some of yall post nonsense and I gotta call it out

What

Alright then mr anarchist state

U rockin with anti-intellectualism??

How did you get to that conclusion from what mamba posted

He's an empath