Consider the effect of rent: If you pay 25% of your wage for rent and work 40h a week, it means 10h of your work-week is actually done just for the benefit of your landlord. Does the landlord actually need that much rent-payment to maintain the home? No, otherwise he wouldn't make any profit. He probably only needs a small part of it to pay for house maintenance. So if we do away with rent, the work you need to do in any given week to provide for yourself would be lower.

Now imagine it isn't just your rent, but it is the rent of every store you have been inside. Now imagine all the mark-ups of every product, the mark-up from the company that mines the resources to the company that processes the resources to the company that wholesales to the company that sells you the product, every step of the way, there will be a mark-up.

This will not exist under socialism. The amount of money you have to pay for any given product is inflated because of these mark-ups. In practice this means you have to work longer just to finance the lifestyles of the bourgeoisie.

The true cost of goods is hidden to the consumer, both in terms of money and of labor-time. A big part of this could disappear under socialism. The consumer would only need to pay the true labor-cost of any product, since there is no need for any "profit" inside the domestic economy. Later on, in full communism, the consumer wouldn't even pay for it at all, but it would rather be "according to your needs".

Whatever your incentive is, you will optimize. In capitalism the incentive is not "save as much human time per possible", the incentive is "make as much money as possible by paying as little as possible". Your boss doesn't care how many hours you can save if he has to pay more money to do so.

Under socialism, the incentive will be "make society as efficient as possible so people will have to work less".

Automation under capitalism: "Should I automate this task in (insert Western country) or should I pay some people overseas pennies per hour for doing it by hand?" -> The answer is: Capitalists don't automate as much as they could because it is cheaper in terms of money to just underpay people or pay people abroad. These people might have to work countless hours of their lives doing menial jobs. Same thing goes for domestic jobs like cashiers or simple factory/warehouse work and other jobs.

Automation under socialism: "Should we automate this task for insert number of hours it takes to design and build the machine including all the indirect labor that goes in it or should we make humans do it for insert number of hours someone with this job should do this task" -> Many tasks can be automated and will in the medium-term save labor time, thus saving human time.

Furthermore: Under capitalism, automation means you are out of your job or your wage lowers because of less hours. Under socialism, automation is good, because you will get paid the same amount of wages for less work.

Step by step, you will be able to transition from socialism (where people would still get paid wages for their labor) into communism (where everybody produces according to their ability and everybody receives according to their need).

Socialism can use socially-necessary labor time to calculate and plan the economy. Marx himself suggest replacing money through labor vouchers. Thinkers like Paul Cockshott expanded upon this and imagined how a labor-voucher based economy would look like.

The combination of "more incentives for automation" and "more focus on labor-time and labor-vouchers" will make society more efficient.

All of these reasons are under the assumption of a modern planned economy using the principles of cybersocialism. Other models of socialism might have other explanations.

Mods need to address right-wing infiltration of r/Antiwork. Racism, homophobia, transphobia and xenophobia on the sub are becoming a huge problem.

Antiwork has had a huge influx of users lately, and unfortunately, some of them are trying to turn this sub into The_Donald 2.0. Anytime there is any post stating the simple fact that worker solidarity movements mean dignity and respect for EVERYONE, there is a huge number of upvoted comments saying "stop trying to make antiwork political", "antiwork isn't about social issues", "I'm conservative and I'm antiwork too." etc.

This isn't just a sub to complain about your boss or pretend you're oppressed because you're forced to respect your coworkers preferred pronouns. This sub isn't for complaining about undocumented immigrants taking your job or driving down wages. This sub isn't for promoting Steve Bannon-style "economic nationalism" at the expense of workers in poor countries.

If you're a right-winger, grow up. The billionaire class are your enemy, not other poor people who want the same dignity and respect you do. No one cares that you think SJWs are cringe or that you grew up being told you are superior to other people because of where you were born.

Black workers matter. Queer workers matter. Trans workers matter. Female workers matter. Disabled workers matter. And yes, non-American workers matter too.

Workers are workers. Humans and humans. What part of "Workers of the World Unite" is hard to understand?

Right-wing divide-and-conquer bullshit has no place here. (And no, telling right-wingers to stop being bigoted a******s is not divide-and-conquer.)

I know many of you are as frustrated with this problem as I am. I asked the mods to make an official post addressing right-wing infiltration, but they don't think it's necessary. They told me that the sidebar is clear enough that this is a leftist sub.

I disagree. Most people don't read the sidebar, and the steady increase in right-wing posts and comments getting upvoted shows that the mods' current actions are not enough. Removing right-wing posts and comments after they've already gained traction for hours isn't enough.

The mods need to make it 100% clear that this is a leftist space that has solidarity with all oppressed and disenfranchised populations. If they don't, right-wingers will take their silence as a tacit endorsement and continue to use this sub to promote reactionary goals. This problem needs to be addressed now before it gets even more out of hand.

The spectacle – its form, its content – is a total justification of the conditions and goals of the existing capitalist system. This justification for capitalism is constantly present in our life. It monopolizes the majority of our leisurely time spent outside of work. It completely consumes our lives.

The spectacle presents itself as a vast inaccessible reality that can never be questioned. Its sole message is: “What appears is good. What is good, appears.” It demands passive acceptance, and due to its monopoly of appearances, its demands are always met. It is a question to which you are not allowed any reply.

Both the means of the spectacle and the ends of spectacle are identical. It is the sun that never sets over the empire of modern passivity. It covers the entire surface of the globe, endlessly basking in its own glory.

^ biggest post on the sub right now. To not take advantage of the sheer potential being presented before us is something we will regret.

mythological obsession with political labeling and nazis
"pro-working class" but simultaneously hating the poor through proxies (literally one of the first posts i saw in a comment thread was anyone anti-abortion isnt working class)
advocating for democrats still across the board ("we'll elect them then hold them accountable" type bs - yes there are actual leftists on the board but they share a board with this and it is also reddit)
obsession with s***work discourse
social policy obsession (see the abortion comment)

i think the union discourse is good but beyond that its still reddit

Reddits admin is a libertarian cuck, they will run it to the ground and we move on to the next sub. This is why internet-based organizing is kinda useless especially on corporate media btw. Me and @Scratchin_Bandit lived thru the ChapoTrapHouse era and LateStageCapitalism era, both of them got nuked or couped

this seems parallel at best to what i said, idk if i just didnt word it well enough

I disagree

CTH got dismantled by admin themselves

Ngl i have not seen any of this lmao

All ive seen is ppl talking abt their s***ty bosses and pro-union stuff

I've seen one or two posts abt racism/nazism that's it

U wanna BET?

You'll see.

I think there's some good that can be done with the subreddit if somebody creates a discord or whatever.

But that subreddit itself? Give it less than half a year for it to get chapo'd or latestagecapitalism'd. It's reddit after all

iA we will see

the best thing to come out of cth by far is the chapo dsa redditor copypasta which i will 100% get banned for if i repost here

The OK boomer meme started on CTH

pretty sure that one's from 4chan but cth revived it, unless cth was around in like 2014-2015

They mad at Hasan for defending the word cracker

what do you think of hasan calling assange supporters "weirdo fascists", idk if the clip was out of context or what but i cant understand the logic behind that

edit: nvm looks like it was edited slightly

Cracker is not a real slur unless we get this kind of society

Definitely out of context lmao

I've seen him talk abt the extradition and he was very much against it

CRACKED

yeah it was edited slightly but i still dont get the weird resentment he has towards assange fans. basically what he said was "im against the extradition and forever jailing because the us govt is f***ed up but assange fans are fascist weirdos and just because he doesn't deserve to get punished/exploited doesn't make him a hero" which is better but still odd to me

Assange fans are often very weird fornsure tho

I mean assange himself is a f***ing weirdo lmfao with very not leftist politics

He still did a lot of good work exposing war crimes and general f***ery of the West

But he has nothing to contribute ideogically/politically

it’s been ran over lol

I dont keep up with stormfront uhm i mean reddit

BOZOS