Net goods over time dont mean s*** if the quality of life for citizens across the planet is slowly getting improved over time. Only comparing before and after doesnt paint a whole picture.

You are confusing being wealthy and living in certain neighbourhoods. It's fun to be rich and party in north of Tehran. It's fun to be rich and have a mansion in NY and i'm sure it's fun to be a rich putin minion and live in moscow. If i was making the same amount of dollar and rice cost the same i rather be where i get more civil freedom.

It is true that the Bolsheviks came out of a movement lasting a few decades. Lenin's older brother was hanged for being a revolutionary when Lenin was a schoolboy. It doesn't happen overnight.

But still, the intricacies of revolution et cetera are not what matters in the first world as of now. This all makes sense to a Maoist who has read a lot but talk to an average joe from the USA about PPW and he will think you are f***ing insane. IMO a lot of Gonzaloists under-estimate how little class consciousness is.

Gonzaloism is a subset of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism which is a subset of Marxism-Leninism which is a subset of Marxism which is a subset of socialist thinking. It is so incredibly niche. Most Americans don't even know what socialism means. It doesn't make sense to rehash the strategies of Peru (that didn't even win their war) and re-locate it to the cities of the USA.

Politics exists both in a certain space and a certain time. The time and space of the USA 2021 is different than China 1949. Whatever strategic ideas are "universal" are so vague that they become mere truisms. This is also why democratic centralism á la 1917 Russia won't work either in the USA 2021. We can learn from certain achievements though, no doubt, but we must also be mindful not to repeat mistakes.

Marx says it well here:

"Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past. The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living. And just as they seem to be occupied with revolutionizing themselves and things, creating something that did not exist before, precisely in such epochs of revolutionary crisis they anxiously conjure up the spirits of the past to their service, borrowing from them names, battle slogans, and costumes in order to present this new scene in world history in time-honored disguise and borrowed language. Thus Luther put on the mask of the Apostle Paul, the Revolution of 1789-1814 draped itself alternately in the guise of the Roman Republic and the Roman Empire, and the Revolution of 1848 knew nothing better to do than to parody, now 1789, now the revolutionary tradition of 1793-95. In like manner, the beginner who has learned a new language always translates it back into his mother tongue, but he assimilates the spirit of the new language and expresses himself freely in it only when he moves in it without recalling the old and when he forgets his native tongue."

Marx is powerful because it gives us the tools we need to describe some of the phenomena we see under capitalism. But any tool is just as good as its user. We have the tools - the theory - but we have to put them into action. Capitalism has not changed that much since the times of Marx so these tools are still applicable. But it is our job to come up with the blueprints, and like every building is ultimately unique, every movement must also be. This is not to say that we must disregard all of Mao or all of Lenin, but IMO we should aspire for a non-denominational communism in the western countries right now. I see more parallels to the 1870s/1880s state of European leftism than I do to 1917 Russia or 1949 China: The main parallel being we don't have any mass movements, we are starting from zero, and things are starting to heat up again.

I don't care about being rich. You can be rich literally anywhere and have a decent quality of life. That's the problem. You have to gauge quality of life for the poor, and literally most of these countries you think are hellscapes have equivalent or better qualities of life than the equivalent class here in the US. Literally the countries with the worse quality of life for the equivalent classes are the ones who are allies of the US and follow our economic model. Globalization is not the reason for higher quality of life in most countries. It literally only is in westernized countries and that's because the metric we use for quality of life is often bullshit. The freedom to get an iphone isn't quality of life.

You visited or lived in for example russia or any soviet countries? I've been to a few.
Gurbanguly is a bad dictator and you thinking that is a myth is batshit crazy.

What "soviet countries" have you been to while they had a "dictator"?

When people want to point to modern dictators who fit this bill of Nero style pathologization the literal only people they point to are like Bokassa in CAR, Idi Amin in Uganda, or maybe the regime in Turkmenistan. Almost all of these styles of regimes were legitimized externally by other countries and forces rather than internally.

You willing to go live in north korea on the off chance that you right and Kim is benevolent? You willing to go live in Afghanistan on the off chance that taliban gonna utilize the young modern afghan generation well?
Cause yall believed that s*** when they were first making moves..

I have family members who studied in the Soviet Union (Turkmenistan to be exact) and based off what they told me they were pretty impressed. Russia after the USSR collapsed was a complete hellhole tho...

Ive been to all the ones on the border of russia and Iran

They were impressed cause their point of comparison was libya

If I was homeless with zero prospects at all and had no generational family wealth (which is essentially needed here in the west) I would 100% rather be in NK or Afghanistan than here in the US. You're willfully misreading arguments here.

Why wouldnt you go with your generational wealth? Are you saying it's only good for homeless people? I don't get it? Are you under the impression there are absolutely zero homeless people there? Is it good for them? Lol

did you not read any of the past posts that i wrote in this thread leading up to that one or what

I asked you a simple question. Give a direct answer please.

Libya under Gaddafi was the richest nation in Africa idiot. Especially in the 70s and 80s when my uncles went overseas to study.

Ok so how is Turkmenistan doing which by your definition is "authoritarian" compared to "democratic" Armenia?

Turkemenistan is stable and safe, gdp per capita from 05 to now doubled while armenias is flat

Armenia is pretty much depopulated, public instutions are failing, couldn't defend its territory against the azeris and half the people still living only source of income is their kids who immigrated to Los Angeles lol

we cant give you direct answers because you're a contrarian who barely can form a coherent thought.

Oh and they picked Turkemenistan because of the prestigious universities. Got you fam

Can we take our first action as a political collective and block him

South Korea is probably one of the most miserable countries in the world if you dont kill yourself while studying for uni you get to work 80 hours a week to save up for your k pop plastic surgery while drinking yourself to death

MUH GDP IS GOOD THOUGH 👍👍👍

Yeah dude that one North Korean defector is so hot I don’t really care what she says! North Korea bad! Plastic surgery waifus good!

I'm surprised you summed up the courage to show your face again after our last encounter. Im still waiting for your reply to this from few pages ago.

I never said once in my life that people in middle east should give up religion.

I'm against western intervention, tribalism and oligarchic governments.

Sunnis and shias being pinned against each other and muslims buying into it is tribalism. Hizbullah is an oligarchic organization. Muslims need to realize this is their weakness so that they can stop the west exploiting it.

"Also.. i never said that everyone puts a plate out!! I said YOU suppport those who do it! Big difference. And that is why you are crazy. Because you are Hizbullahi.

Grand majority of shias are great people. Like the ones in iraq who protested against khamenei.

You aint one of them. You are a fool."

Why wouldnt you go with your generational wealth?

read what i said again

Are you saying it's only good for homeless people? I don't get it?

no i'm saying that the quality of life here in the US and most of the west as well as developing countries that mimic the western economic model for the lower class is so horrendously poor that by the balance of things even a country like NK or Afghanistan can provide a better quality of life, and also the quality of life for lower classes is literally all that matters in these types of discussions because the quality of life for the rich is literally the same everywhere to begin with otherwise

Are you under the impression there are absolutely zero homeless people there? Is it good for them? Lol

NK: even literal defectors being paid by libertarian organizations to s*** on NK admit that even with the strapped resources and ideology of the regime that there is virtually no homelessness there. The origin of most stories of homelessness there predate modernity. I am not a NK defender by any means - this is just objectively true though.
Afghanistan: the vast majority of displacement there currently is LITERALLY THE SOLE FAULT OF THE US.

No its because the USSR had programs where students from foreign nations could study in their schools. My uncles went to university in Ashgabat to study chemistry.

South Korea has 0.92 births per women lmfao