CLB Fractions

5y

Slavery was only abolished in some northern states because Northern factory workers would be unable to compete with free labor.

The borders states that were part of the union actually got to keep their slaves even after the Emancipation Proclamation which only applied to states they left the union

Synopsis

5y

is this guy pretending like he doesn't know why the industrial north had an interest in changing slave labor to wage labor lol?

Mango

5y

White peasants in the south were the ones being ground down by competing with slavery. Factory work was in dense areas where there was already a surplus of labor to drive down wages. The north was fighting with the south over their raw materials. The reality of fighting to win the Civil War on the ground was what freed the slaves as slaves themselves marched over to the Union side and were welcomed by guys like Benjamin Butler. The military increasingly relied upon them as troops when soldiers left the frontlines towards the end of the war.

Freed slaves were then scooped back up into sharecropping in the south, to assuage the plantation aristrocrats instead of continuing the battle to upend their tyranny, or they were funneled north to further dilute the labor pool as industry expanded. It went from southern planters leveraging this underclass against white laborers to northern merchants doing the same thing. White workers and peasants did a lot of the dying themselves on the battlefields for both sides. To speak only in terms of race obscures the class dynamic entirely. It was a war for resources. The ending of slavery was a happy accident.

Dedication 666

5y

How are people who choose to homestead and not work an actual job viewed in socialism?

NakedBalenciaga

5y

Syn and I don’t always agree but his heart is in the right place

Yuzzy

5y

If I was a socialist I would consider synopsis a detriment to my ends. His manner of communicating with others is arrogant, confrontational, and an instance of the stereotype of the theory addicted communists. And he'll probably read this and think to himself, it sure is tough being so much smarter and more educated than this sxn

interstellarflyin2

5y

feel like for socialism to work we would need literally every single person in the society to be on the same page and that s*** aint ever happening

Synopsis

5y

I didn't know I knew you irl

Yuzzy

5y

Only mean on this site, I genuinely believe you do good in your community

Yuzzy

5y

If I was a socialist I would consider synopsis a detriment to my ends. His manner of communicating with others is arrogant, confrontational, and an instance of the stereotype of the theory addicted communists. And he'll probably read this and think to himself, it sure is tough being so much smarter and more educated than this sxn

interstellarflyin2

5y

feel like for socialism to work we would need literally every single person in the society to be on the same page and that s*** aint ever happening

Yuzzy

5y

If I was a socialist I would consider synopsis a detriment to my ends. His manner of communicating with others is arrogant, confrontational, and an instance of the stereotype of the theory addicted communists. And he'll probably read this and think to himself, it sure is tough being so much smarter and more educated than this sxn

interstellarflyin2

5y

feel like for socialism to work we would need literally every single person in the society to be on the same page and that s*** aint ever happening

Pexlivaniz

5y

It’s a utopian and reactionary way of organizing, historically farms have been collectivized under socialism

Dedication 666

5y

so would homesteading be discouraged?

CLB Fractions

5y

probably more like 80% of people need to be on board. But idk how you would get people to do jobs no one wants to do.

fiveprestos

5y

how many jobs do people want to do, let alone be gridlocked into now?

space0cadet

5y

no its encouraged
people who traditionally cannot afford / access land (minoritized groups, people in poverty, etc.) are given land.

people arent just given land for no reason though, people need to have land to grow food for the country and their community.

like the previous poster was saying, individual farming is hugely inefficient + takes so many more resources for growing food for the country, so traditionally the production + labour + ownership is collectivized .

Dedication 666

5y

All land is already owned by people or governments already, how would other people be given land?