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  • Sep 16, 2024
    Choking

    haven’t finished read like 100 pages bored at some family gathering but it’s good it goes over marx writing on foreign affairs from his time and goes into his less popular works like his writings for the new york tribune or something

    Sounds cool I’ll peep

  • Sep 16, 2024
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    snowboyrari

    hope those crackers pick you, dork

    Krishna is well read but doesn’t actually organize so he’s one of those theorycels that unironically hate on anything radical

    He’s a cool user though and you can gain stuff from his posts

  • Sep 16, 2024
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    Harlem

    My posts

    Bear post is an incredibly important piece

  • Sep 16, 2024
    teku izing

    Krishna is well read but doesn’t actually organize so he’s one of those theorycels that unironically hate on anything radical

    He’s a cool user though and you can gain stuff from his posts

    I'm good on interacting with that dude for the foreseeable future, thank you tho

  • Sep 16, 2024
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    Choking

    marxist theory does discuss how economic inequality and an economic system can create and reproduce migrant underclasses, marxism isn’t some white boy looking at the world saying i don’t see race 💖

    You’re putting words in my mouth, you know that’s not what I said both here and in the other posts I’ve made. It’s not about “not seeing race” it’s about recognizing the realities of race within an economic system without resorting to Christian moralism

  • Sep 16, 2024
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    Choking

    was lenin a mussolinite for recognizing great russians as oppressors by working through a racialized marxist frame work while implementing affirmative action polices ⁉️

    You’ve read Lenin you know that’s not what happened

  • Sep 16, 2024
    krishna bound

    You’re putting words in my mouth, you know that’s not what I said both here and in the other posts I’ve made. It’s not about “not seeing race” it’s about recognizing the realities of race within an economic system without resorting to Christian moralism

    i don’t see her resorting to christian moralism tho

  • Sep 16, 2024
    krishna bound

    You’ve read Lenin you know that’s not what happened

    we’re all allowed to s***post aren’t we

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    Sep 16, 2024
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    Choking

    italy in ww2 is so funny was there a front were they were winning in their own at all, they failed in the Balkans, they failed in Africa what else

    lost their french campaign against like 9 french dudes

  • Sep 16, 2024
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    krishna bound

    Marxist theory is not about “minorities” , about weird Christian sins of the father thinking, or about moralistic views of good and bad or mistreatment and attonement. Your views are insanely weird and informed by vulgar and idealistic fantasies. You want a race war rather than desire a revolution.

    like here i don’t see it at all, all she is referring to is a switch in ownership of means of production (whether this is socialist, transitionary, capitalist doesn’t matter in this convo)

  • Sep 16, 2024
    Nessy

    lost their french campaign against like 9 french dudes

    forgot that part too declined colonial concessions from france too for that

  • Sep 16, 2024
    Choking

    italy in ww2 is so funny was there a front were they were winning in their own at all, they failed in the Balkans, they failed in Africa what else

    Some of the worst weapons engineering in history

  • Sep 16, 2024
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    teku izing

    This is peak yap man cmon

    Land reform and underdevelopment along racial lines is material effects not just idealistic s*** for twitter communists to cry about

    Touch grass and put down theory

    I think it’s weird af that I point out that mediating ethnic tension especially among oppressed racialized classes is distinct from cultivating race-forward structuralism and the knee jerk reaction is that I’m saying either race doesn’t exist or I’m somehow aligning with “white people”

  • Sep 16, 2024
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    krishna bound

    I think it’s weird af that I point out that mediating ethnic tension especially among oppressed racialized classes is distinct from cultivating race-forward structuralism and the knee jerk reaction is that I’m saying either race doesn’t exist or I’m somehow aligning with “white people”

    tbf the ussr wasn’t the best example we can see how their nationalism policy in the long run ended up exploding on them

  • Sep 16, 2024
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    ngl, yall weird for continuing to kiki with that moron

  • Sep 16, 2024
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    Choking

    tbf the ussr wasn’t the best example we can see how their nationalism policy in the long run ended up exploding on them

    I agree it wasn’t the best but I have yet to see how any competing framework has proved to work better outside of fulfilling fantasies largely based in the superstructure as opposed to the base. I’m sorry but the modern framework of settler-colonialism has melted people’s minds and essentially caused them to shy away from dialectics

  • Sep 16, 2024
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    snowboyrari

    ngl, yall weird for continuing to kiki with that moron

    Chill out

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    eye contact

    Chill out

    nah. bro is a racist weirdo. you got whole elementary schools in Ohio that people are threatening to blow up, literally earlier today, and those are the people ol boi thinks we're missing the opportunity to "reach" (they're just concerned about their community safety, after all). miss me with that s***.

  • Sep 16, 2024
    Choking

    like here i don’t see it at all, all she is referring to is a switch in ownership of means of production (whether this is socialist, transitionary, capitalist doesn’t matter in this convo)

    They edited their posts, the language was different when I initially responded. It doesn’t matter either way but fwiw on why my response leaned a certain way. This is built on too what they said in the Haitian migrant thread

  • Sep 16, 2024
    snowboyrari
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    nah. bro is a racist weirdo. you got whole elementary schools in Ohio that people are threatening to blow up, literally earlier today, and those are the people ol boi thinks we're missing the opportunity to "reach" (they're just concerned about their community safety, after all). miss me with that s***.

    We’re on KTT speaking on hypotheticals lol

    Chill out

  • Sep 16, 2024
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    krishna bound

    I agree it wasn’t the best but I have yet to see how any competing framework has proved to work better outside of fulfilling fantasies largely based in the superstructure as opposed to the base. I’m sorry but the modern framework of settler-colonialism has melted people’s minds and essentially caused them to shy away from dialectics

    expand on the part on settler colonialism making people lose their mind and shy away from dialectics

    for me settler colonialism is tough to deal with due to fanon quote about marxism needing to be stretched to be applicable to the colonial situation. Which makes me wonder how much does it need to be “stretched” for settler-colonial states or if it needs to be stretched at all

  • Sep 16, 2024
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    Right wing Westerners are free speech absolutists, but when it comes to putting kids in cages all of a sudden “well there are some nuances to the situation”

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    Choking

    expand on the part on settler colonialism making people lose their mind and shy away from dialectics

    for me settler colonialism is tough to deal with due to fanon quote about marxism needing to be stretched to be applicable to the colonial situation. Which makes me wonder how much does it need to be “stretched” for settler-colonial states or if it needs to be stretched at all

    I don’t think Marxism needs to be stretched. I also don’t think people need to just “forgive” each other or similar. You’re a Maoist so you can understand innately that contradictions can exist outside of capitalism - this obviously leans in that direction.
    I don’t expect anyone to just “forgive and forget” historical atrocities but also acting as if in many cases settlers’ ancestors are not also victims of the capitalist system shows heavy bias towards superstructural cultural elements. People may argue that settlers represent a sort of historical PMC but realistically especially in modern western counties most people are not descendants of a slave owning exploitation class. They may have enabled additional people to get here who then benefited but the US (and many other counties) are not South Africa where the Boers are just holistically of a specific background.
    The thinking on modern settler colonialism acts as if contradictions can’t exist such as white settlers being responsible for exploitation but the white descendants then being victims of their ancestors’ promotion of said economic system. It leads to the same thinking as all Jews = pro-Israel therefore to solve the Israel-Palestine conflict, all Jews are culpable. It harkens back to concepts of original sin and atonement through recognition of contradiction. On the contrary, I don’t think this means “well white people are just guilt-free”. However focusing on the racial fault lines as the sole basis for radical action is weird when the racial fault lines are meant to fit within a wider dialectic. It’s not a replacement for economic consideration or post-economic struggle

  • Sep 16, 2024
    snowboyrari

    the Burmese PLA has a telegram channel now

    apparently they are shooting a documentary on their involvement in the anti-fascist war and presumably it will be posted here

    youtube.com/@​pla_burma?si=a59l5zLo83ywUgzc

  • Sep 16, 2024
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    krishna bound

    I don’t think Marxism needs to be stretched. I also don’t think people need to just “forgive” each other or similar. You’re a Maoist so you can understand innately that contradictions can exist outside of capitalism - this obviously leans in that direction.
    I don’t expect anyone to just “forgive and forget” historical atrocities but also acting as if in many cases settlers’ ancestors are not also victims of the capitalist system shows heavy bias towards superstructural cultural elements. People may argue that settlers represent a sort of historical PMC but realistically especially in modern western counties most people are not descendants of a slave owning exploitation class. They may have enabled additional people to get here who then benefited but the US (and many other counties) are not South Africa where the Boers are just holistically of a specific background.
    The thinking on modern settler colonialism acts as if contradictions can’t exist such as white settlers being responsible for exploitation but the white descendants then being victims of their ancestors’ promotion of said economic system. It leads to the same thinking as all Jews = pro-Israel therefore to solve the Israel-Palestine conflict, all Jews are culpable. It harkens back to concepts of original sin and atonement through recognition of contradiction. On the contrary, I don’t think this means “well white people are just guilt-free”. However focusing on the racial fault lines as the sole basis for radical action is weird when the racial fault lines are meant to fit within a wider dialectic. It’s not a replacement for economic consideration or post-economic struggle

    People may argue that settlers represent a sort of historical PMC but realistically especially in modern western counties most people are not descendants of a slave owning exploitation class

    little nitpick but slaving owner =\= settler, jefferson yeoman who raided an indian village then stole some land cultivated it themselves or just bought land that were stolen are settlers

    but yeah i get your point in my own experience i dont know many canadians canadian (like from settler families) most of the white people in know came from immigrant families (polish,italian)