Naxalite

2y

You can learn more by reading State and Revolution or The communist manifesto then debating anyone here

Elric

2y

I'm not so much interested in endless political theory debates as I am what these guys actually did

spongebob

2y

I try to stay away from whataboutism because its so easy to jump to that, being that say the US and UK and a lot of these western countries have been horrible pretty much the whole time,

It feels like sometimes the socialist countries get an imbalanced assessment as it relates back to the nature of the other major countries at any given time

That being said, each nation in itself I do think should have a responsibility to not be horrible so its not like two wrongs make a right if USA was doing bad s*** and USSR was doing wack s*** at the same time,

thats just what was going on.

There are a lot of social developments the USSR made long before the US did as well as space tech, and especially coming from pre-revolution time period that would've been unthinkable back then

Nasty s*** was going down everywhere, can't run away from it

Elric

2y

Molotov Ribbentrop you guys aren't even trying today

Bint

2y

also the defeat of the Nazis was the result of British intelligence, American technology and Soviet manpower

Remove any one of the three and a decisive like the one we got is substantially less likely

Bint

2y

One thing i don’t understand is, won’t the writings of every political leader serve to just validate them and their decisions? why are they different?

Get further reading the Robert Service biographies Imo

WRU

2y

I mean they did prefer Nazis to Soviets most of the time theres no lie there

Elric

2y

Molotov Ribbentrop you guys aren't even trying today

spongebob

2y

Dat epic gamer moment when after the horrors of ww2 Patton wants to keep the war going in order to fight the soviets

Elric

2y

Ok well the Brits had really good spies and so knew exactly what would happen to them and their people of the communists took over. I would be probably take a Night Of the Long Knives over a Great Purge and Holodmor as well (especially not being able to predict the Holocaust)

Elric

2y

Ok well the Brits had really good spies and so knew exactly what would happen to them and their people of the communists took over. I would be probably take a Night Of the Long Knives over a Great Purge and Holodmor as well (especially not being able to predict the Holocaust)

Choking

2y

my problem with thinking about history like this is that u can’t very well disconnect and compare events like this the night of the long knives ended up influencing the holocaust for example but taking out members that would be against the more extreme measures, like the nazi army would resist the extreme orders in 39 but by 41 they were kowtowing to the nazi party

all of these events were totally different and at best a shallow superficial level of similarity like the knight of king knives and the great purge which both can be looked at inner political party scheming. But the great purge was also much more and multifaceted than that it included rank and file workers getting more rights to the “middle managers” corruption and abuse was frequent by the managers and started getting taken seriously of course this would result in actual abusive managers getting purged (didn’t always mean killed also meant kicked out the party so kill total =\= purge total) but it also would have stuff like managers getting fired cause some of the workers pettiness rather than anything real.

afterimage

2y

MR was a non-aggression pact, not an alliance.

Nazi ideology and fascism was clear to communists that it would inevitably lead to conflict. They would’ve never gotten into a serious alliance

They did not have factories in Nazi gemrany like many western countries did

When Russia invaded half of Poland in 1939 it was reclaiming former territories Russia had given up initially back during the Brest- Litovsk treaty when the USSR had just been founded was trying to stabilize itself

Sir Real

2y

dumbfuck

Elric

2y

Isn't a non-aggression pact basically the same thing as an alliance when you're agreeing to invade the same country at almost the same time? I'm aware of the fascists and communists considered each other mortal enemies, but Hitler and Stalin lowkey admired each other's brutality. Seems like the night is a long lives directly inspired Stalin's great purge.

Whether or not Russia was reclaiming historical lands, that pact is what plunged Europe back into war and the Nazis wouldn't have had the balls to do it alone.

Bint

2y

One thing i don’t understand is, won’t the writings of every political leader serve to just validate them and their decisions? why are they different?

Get further reading the Robert Service biographies Imo

Plight

2y

Stalin did not admire Hitler and was very clear about wanting him and his people dead

Elric

2y

How does Communist ideology and workers rights explain the vast slave labour required to meet the CC's plans?

WRU

2y

define slave labor

Elric

2y

What the advocated for and what they actually did are two completely different things. Even if this book is trash, there's still way too many mountains of evidence to ignore.

Plight

2y

They united a continent of colonies, industrialized it, fed its people, housed them and protected them for almost 50 years. Also protected them from being exterminated.

The most prosperous eastern europe has ever been in world history.

Elric

2y

Yes in theory

In reality this was only achieved by throwing like a third of the population under the bus