Lystra

3y

i think i would be down to join a revolution

but i think whoever wins gets to decide what happens after. im not with that communism s***

Hurdle33 dog

3y

You cannot be for a revolution and be anti communist. What kinda Revolution do you envision?

Lystra

3y

hunger games

Hurdle33 dog

3y

What's that

Lystra

3y

i think i would be down to join a revolution

but i think whoever wins gets to decide what happens after. im not with that communism s***

Lystra

3y

nah i was jus f***in with u sorry

i think its obvious the world is controlled by a small group of people. i think we should kill them. but i have no strong opinion about what should happen next

Scratchin Mamba

3y

Why u not w the communism shyt if i may ask?

Hurdle33 dog

3y

People organize society based on democratically decided needs and wants and work together to optimize this process. This way you also have incentive to automate a lot of unpopular work, whereas now you can just force poor people to do it.

Lystra

3y

i think that this is a bit more complicated. ultimately people should work in some capacity we shouldnt be idle

Lystra

3y

i dont think it would work

im a fan of freedom. i dont want to be beholden to a government anymore than i already am

Lystra

3y

nah i was jus f***in with u sorry

i think its obvious the world is controlled by a small group of people. i think we should kill them. but i have no strong opinion about what should happen next

Nessy

3y

that type of thinking from a non communist @​jenniferaniston

Hurdle33 dog

3y

No one said anything about being idle. No one wants to work minimum wage jobs tho. And no one wants to slave away at mundane jobs that could be automated.

Scratchin Mamba

3y

Communism is not about being beholden to the government tho. In fact the end-goal of communists is a society without a state

While it's true that many communist governments were more authoritarian than western liberal governments (if you ignore slavery, colonialism, apartheid etc lol), that happens with most revolutionary governments. The ruling classes who have all the power arent eager to give it up without a fight, and some form authority is needed to fight back

I don't think the autoritarian excesses of the french revolution are a sufficient argument against republicanism and in favor of monarchism, neither is the authoritarianism and militarism of the union under Lincoln a sufficient argument against abolitionism and in favor of slavery

Communism = authoritarianism is propaganda by that ruling class that you saw in the struggle against monarchy and slavery as well. Idk if you're american, but if you are you've probably been bombarded with that like no other, so it's understandable that you have that misconception tho

Lystra

3y

I agree with this yea, but I wonder how a system like communism could work with such a large number of people. The advantage of capitalism is a society can function under capitalism with minimal intervention from some governing body. I feel like communism requires intensive governance to work properly and as a result is more prone to authoritarianism or issues related to poor social planning

afterimage

3y

You need some form of state intervention in any economic system

Capitalism has well passed its days of “free market”

Late 1890s saw state intervention to break up railroad monopolies and trusts, as well as the subsequent concessions we saw in the Progressive Era towards better conditions for workers and regulations for goods

30s state intervention was used to implement vast government programs and workers benefits after the Great Depression

70s-80s we saw state intervention in the neoliberal era as it gave more freedom to the private sectors of the economy, resulting in deregulation, austerity, rollback of union power, and the transition to Asia as a source of cheap labor (at the expense of America’s industry and working class)

And as you know, our major politicians are all vetted by corporate donors and basically just mouthpieces for their donors, who use their vast financial power to lobby and elect politicians that will enact policy favoring them. This in itself is a form of state intervention, the politicians are just acting on behalf of the ruling class and not the working people

afterimage

3y

You need some form of state intervention in any economic system

Capitalism has well passed its days of “free market”

Late 1890s saw state intervention to break up railroad monopolies and trusts, as well as the subsequent concessions we saw in the Progressive Era towards better conditions for workers and regulations for goods

30s state intervention was used to implement vast government programs and workers benefits after the Great Depression

70s-80s we saw state intervention in the neoliberal era as it gave more freedom to the private sectors of the economy, resulting in deregulation, austerity, rollback of union power, and the transition to Asia as a source of cheap labor (at the expense of America’s industry and working class)

And as you know, our major politicians are all vetted by corporate donors and basically just mouthpieces for their donors, who use their vast financial power to lobby and elect politicians that will enact policy favoring them. This in itself is a form of state intervention, the politicians are just acting on behalf of the ruling class and not the working people

Lystra

3y

I agree with this yea, but I wonder how a system like communism could work with such a large number of people. The advantage of capitalism is a society can function under capitalism with minimal intervention from some governing body. I feel like communism requires intensive governance to work properly and as a result is more prone to authoritarianism or issues related to poor social planning

Lystra

3y

i agree that at the current juncture capitalism is being used for the selfish purposes of the extremely rich and powerful. I'm aware of the complete destruction of workers rights. I think that obviously these are all problematic and are why im in favor of some revolution that displaces money and power from the people who currently dominate

but i dont think capitalism is so flawed as a system. the people who control the world controlled finances of countries before capitalism was even properly defined. I think until we identify and remove the people who truly run the world we will always be in this sort of unfair and unsustainable system. I believe in free market capitalism and i think it is the natural way of the world

Lystra

3y

From what I understand communism focuses on making a society self sustaining and generating enough goods for the needs of the populace instead of focusing on global trade or things like military interventions in other nations or colonialism.

I think the issue is that we live in an interconnected global economy that is reliant on trade. If countries back out of international trade and focus on just supplying their own nations with necessary goods then I think a number of bad things would happen.

I just think capitalism is the logical solution to economics in the modern Era of global trade. It equalizes the playing field for nations who lack specific goods because they can just buy them in exchange for other goods. Sure there's the issue with multinational corporations and economic inequality but in the case of communism whoever owns the power of production of goods (which ig would be the people but I think in practice there would be some sort of hierarchy) would essentially play the same role as the capitalist oligarchs

Sir Real

3y

How is it “the natural way the world works” when it has been around for a fraction of human existence? Never mind it didn’t even become the dominant mode of production internationally until the past 100 years

Lystra

3y

for most of human history bartering and trade using local currency was the main way things were done

its basically free market

xxxkiraxxx

3y

how should u operate as a communist entrepreneur/business owner in a capitalist society? does anyone have tips