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  • Dec 30, 2020
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    chips

    this is a stupid hill to die on

    "cancel culture" doesnt even mean your r kelly types who are convicted s***pests and whatever. Harvey Weinstein getting sent to prison and being wiped from the industry is not 'cancel culture'

    it's always been used to describe takedowns of individuals who are either not guilty altogether or being accused of some ridiculously minor offence (decade old tweets, telling someone to f*** off etc.)

    Don't think OP or the article actually knows what they are trying to discuss and defend.

    At the end of the day you can preach some moral code of separating art from the artist but if you push up to most people talking about how good R Kelly is don't be surprised when they think you're a weird c***

    The article is about authoritarianism/censorship in response to cancel culture. The posts in this thread prove that as the reality of the hip hop community and its fans.

  • Dec 30, 2020
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    EuroNymous

    though if their guilty they should be phased out of the industry 100%

    too many people in the industry get away with f***ed up things and they never get punished

    look at dr luke still has career and no1 hit to boot this year alone

    This is what I meant when I said cancel culture leaves no room for nuance.

    People were expected to just outright cancel Dr. Luke even tho that whole accusation was suspect

    You had Kesha literally in depositions saying he never did anything to her. Not to mention she was spreading lies claiming he raped other people

  • Dec 30, 2020
    Fah1m

    Gonna be a good thread!

  • Dec 30, 2020
    EuroNymous

    though if their guilty they should be phased out of the industry 100%

    too many people in the industry get away with f***ed up things and they never get punished

    look at dr luke still has career and no1 hit to boot this year alone

    should dr luke be able to get a cpa and work as an accountant? or get a gig in an amazon warehouse? or flip burgers at a mcdonalds?

    if you think that the music industry should ban him from working there, then do you believe that every other industry should hold the same standards?

  • Dec 30, 2020

    In terms of separating art from terrible people

    I would feel more comfortable streaming someone like R Kelly's music if all his royalites went to his victims

  • Dec 30, 2020

    """cancel culture""" issue is the fact that artists of color are quicker to be "cancelled", rather than their white counterparts

    other than that, i always look funny at people complaining about cancel culture (same weirdos that complain for days about sjws), like nobody is trying to stop you of all people from clicking play on your favorite artist's spotify

  • Dec 30, 2020
    ghost

    The article is about authoritarianism/censorship in response to cancel culture. The posts in this thread prove that as the reality of the hip hop community and its fans.

    music is as much a business as it is 'art'

    why should 'art' be granted special dispensation as opposed to other outlets of talent

    there aren't Weinstein/Kelly types running around in the NFL - it's bad for business

    Weinstein/Kelly types are getting punted from the biggest boards in the world (e.g. AMP) - it's bad for business

    some people forfeit the right to have their persona and work on display as a consequence of their actions

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    ghost

    The article is about authoritarianism/censorship in response to cancel culture. The posts in this thread prove that as the reality of the hip hop community and its fans.

    It's not authoritarian if it's people banding together and uniting to not support someone and no ones being censored because you can still listen to R Kelly's music and not face any legal prosecution

    Authoritarian censorship would be if it's the government mandating a law to suppress their work. Just stop dude go read up more about philosophy and figure out what you're trying to argue for and against first.

  • Dec 30, 2020
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    It's not authoritarian if it's people banding together and uniting to not support someone and no ones being censored because you can still listen to R Kelly's music and not face any legal prosecution

    Authoritarian censorship would be if it's the government mandating a law to suppress their work. Just stop dude go read up more about philosophy and figure out what you're trying to argue for and against first.

    You clearly werent here when Kendrick stood up for X and it shows.

  • Dec 30, 2020
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    ghost

    You clearly werent here when Kendrick stood up for X and it shows.

    I was and Spotify is a business that can support who they want. Not the government

  • Dec 30, 2020
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    The Darkest Angel

    I was and Spotify is a business that can support who they want. Not the government

    Then you would know Spotify lost that censorship battle.

  • Nessy 🦎
    Dec 30, 2020

    Cancelling careers of people who abuse and cause harm by using their fame is a good thing, although it’s not enough they should also face a trial. But cancelling someone for a bad joke made as a kid because somehow their problematic influence will corrupt the minds of their fans is lame. I dont think it ever really worked tho.

    And the mob mentality aspect of it is dangerous. They were deleting JPEG’s discography from their phones wishing death upon him for a fake story that was debunked less than an hour after it was posted.

    It’s what happens in an era where people think everything they say is important and that they need to have an opinion on a story in the minute they learn about it.

  • Dec 30, 2020
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    this article is dumb as f***:

    "Last year, armchair revolutionaries furiously typed out their 280->characters long scholarly theses on Todd Phillips’ Joker and how it >glorified “toxic masculinity”. They claimed that Joker should not be >“allowed” to be seen, citing the dangerous potential to create school >shooters and bombers."

    and then joker made over 1 billion dollars. "cancel culture" didnt work here because its literally some dudes on twitter voicing their opinion. literally who gives a f*** about them. what censorship is occurring here

    "That’s exactly the point, Miss Schwartz. You generalised the artistic >statement of a show that has 23 seasons in a 34-word post on social >media without taking into account any of South Park’s nuances or its >profound philosophical maturity. You never looked past the scatological >jokes."

    imagine thinking that south park, the peak of enlightened centrism, has "profound philosophical maturity"

  • Dec 30, 2020
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    ghost

    Then you would know Spotify lost that censorship battle.

    Who the f*** filed suit? When and where were the hearings? Link me that case because Google shows nothing if Spotify is being forced to host XXXTENTACION on their service they should file an appeal or try and take it to the Supreme Court. It is well within their right to remove his music if they want.

  • Nessy 🦎
    Dec 30, 2020
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    decked

    this article is dumb as f***:

    "Last year, armchair revolutionaries furiously typed out their 280->characters long scholarly theses on Todd Phillips’ Joker and how it >glorified “toxic masculinity”. They claimed that Joker should not be >“allowed” to be seen, citing the dangerous potential to create school >shooters and bombers."

    and then joker made over 1 billion dollars. "cancel culture" didnt work here because its literally some dudes on twitter voicing their opinion. literally who gives a f*** about them. what censorship is occurring here

    "That’s exactly the point, Miss Schwartz. You generalised the artistic >statement of a show that has 23 seasons in a 34-word post on social >media without taking into account any of South Park’s nuances or its >profound philosophical maturity. You never looked past the scatological >jokes."

    imagine thinking that south park, the peak of enlightened centrism, has "profound philosophical maturity"

    Yeah they picked a bad exemple. The cancelling doesn’t work for movies but it works for universities where students successfully prevent writers from coming on campus for debates cause they don’t like their ideas.

  • Dec 30, 2020

    tbh i haven't seen a miss in regards of exposing abusive rappers yet. the times i did see cancel culture f*** people's careers up over dumb stuff wasn't even in the music sphere. the cancel culture meta is pretty annoying on a ground level, as socializing w/ hella volatile and sensitive people is annoying, but for the most part you can avoid these people

  • Dec 30, 2020

    I think that there are way more talanted people then there are free spots in the industry, for example, if Octavian is a women beater, I want him to free his spot, so other better person can take his place.

    I think Gorillaz can and probably should take his feature off the album in order not to give him more exposure as the time goes by people can forget what he was doing and put him on pedestal again.

  • Dec 30, 2020
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    Cancel culture doesn’t make sense because most rappers are really pieces of s***. Hell, a lot of famous people/artists are pieces of s*** because money and fame corrupt. A lot of them just don’t broadcast it obviously. You would have to cancel everybody

  • Dec 30, 2020
    The Darkest Angel

    Who the f*** filed suit? When and where were the hearings? Link me that case because Google shows nothing if Spotify is being forced to host XXXTENTACION on their service they should file an appeal or try and take it to the Supreme Court. It is well within their right to remove his music if they want.

    Im not talking the courts dude. Spotify caved and added X back to the playlists. Setting a new precedent for censorship for artists.

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