you see 36 chambers has good songs

whereas relapse has good rapping but bad songs

can your brain understand that ?

who liked this?

Cmon lol there is an argument there. Its not that crazy that some people feel like Relapse and other horrorcore are more empty calories than a more honest, personal record like Recovery that was able to connect in a more direct way with traditional “songs”. It’s almost disrespectful to Wu Tang to make that comparison too tbh because there’s no CREAM no Can It Be All So Simple no Tearz on Relapse. Enter the Wu Tang has considerably more substance than Relapse

Good take tbh I see where you’re coming from

If you looking for songs then Recovery beats Relapse

me
get some better taste in music ya f***ing bozo

Yeah true that song has comedic value tho

First of all, I was talking about ODB's album, not the group debut... Second, I wasn't trying to compare Relapse with Return to the 36 Chambers, I was trying to stress that art is not unidimensional.

The urge some people have to assign a message, "cohesion" or meaning to a piece of art in order to consider it meaningful largely stems from two things: the rise of academia taking an interest in reviewing art forms they had formerly considered lower or non-classical because of sheer cultural relevance by the mid to late 2000s (rap, video games, horror movies...) and a countercultural movement largely shaped by that overreacting to the anarcho-peak of media and art in the 90s and 00s (the generation of Eminem, Spongebob, Jackass, reality TV, MTV, etc.)

Combine that with the rise of the internet, which made these voices widely accessible, and you get a short window, I'd say late 2000s to mid 2010s where a certain bubble started evaluating art primarily based on how well the artist dialed up a few select metrics to 10. Thankfully, this s*** largely died down by the end of last decade as people started seeing the limitations of that perspective because you'd see people not being able to grasp the space a horrorcore album exists in...

I'm not saying that looking for meaning is inherently bad but to claim that a work is "better because it has a more cohesive message" is basically to say it's better because it's digestible within the confines of your conventional understanding... In other words, it's easier to categorize, easier to absorb, easier to feel safe with, rather than challenging, unsettling, or engaging (none of which this garbage album is). With regard to an album like Recovery it really says more about you than the album.

And that's not what art should ever be confined to. Art can speak to both the mind and the soul. It can be abrasive, nonsensical, dark, emotional, whatever you want it to be... All kinds of greatness can coexist because people don't always look for "meaning", they look for aesthetics, entertainment, escapism, vibes, etc. too... Art is multidimensional and limiting it to a single axis of comprehension is doing it a massive disservice. You can do that but doing so is... sad, to put it mildly. Recovery is one of the worst pieces of NPC garbage of the last 20 years or so. Relapse is one of the greatest rap albums of all time.

"it had radio songs"

Also Recovery is neither personal nor particularly honest lmao, it's the polar opposite. It has largely been framed by Eminem himself as an apology record of sorts, a panic reaction to the initial backlash Relapse received. S*** was literally a course-correction toward public approval, Relapse is the real s*** lol

Everybody knows that his real artistic intent at the time was Relapse 2

Recovery had real cultural moments and the pop singles are monumental and amazing.

Not Afraid is mixed as if it's played live in a stadium, it sounds larger than life..

VALIUM WAS IN EVERYTHING FOOD THAT I ATE
THE WATER THAT I DRANK F***IN PEAS IN MY PLATE
SHE SPRINKLED JUST ENOUGH OF IT TO SEASON MY STEAK
SO EVERYDAY I WOULD HAVE AT LEAST 3 STOMACH ACHES

dude sucks at making songs.

without dre dude is washed

When the songs are good, they’re good. And before TDOSS, it was the closest to a Slim Shady-esque horrorcore project since the ‘99 LP.

Beautiful and Deja Vu are great. And for the tongue in cheek horrorcore s***, I like Same Song and Dance, Stay Wide Awake, Must Be The Ganja, and Old Times Sake. Also Be Careful What You Wish for is a dope bonus track.

But when s*** is bad, I’ll never need to listen to My Mom, Insane, or Medicine Ball ever again.

Ppl hate it both cuz of the accents and the fact he went from previously doing autobiographical content to just pure cartoon fiction on s*** like my mom and insane

Eminem fans expected a real introspective and personal album with it being called relapse and only got a couple songs like that such as deja vu

And to be real it’s not till he spammed the speed rapping over pop beats and cringy sing song hooks with recovery mmlp2 and revival that ppl started to suddenly look back on this album like “compared to that s*** this not that bad actually”

Recovery is a mixed bag to me. Some of it is iconic late 2000s/2010 pop rap. I like Love The Way You Lie, Space Bound, 25 To Life, No Love a lot. Seduction is an absolute banger too. Other songs sound like the blueprint for YouTube-tier white rapper music.

And Hell: The Sequel was a dope ass follow-up project imo.

MMLP2 is where he completely lost me as an artist. Hated the production, hooks, songwriting, and flows. Bad Guy is to me the only song I’ll ever listen to again from that album.

Bad guy is hard

MMLP2 is a solid album to me. But everything from 2014-2017 was a horrible era for em

Recovery f***ing sucks compared to Relapse, your taste is just terrible. F*** the subject matter, Relapse actually feels like an Em album. The flows and rhyme schemes on the record are insane. Recovery sounds like the most gentrified rap album of all time. Start of the Skylar Grey era. Beginning of the end. Nothing on Recovery touches the highs on Relapse. And that's a hill I will die on.

You can feel the trauma in this post

Peak Dre on good speakers is sensational

.....yes

Soldier is peak def try to tap in again

That beat tho

Eyyyyy i got it on a Christmas trip to Philadelphia when i was in 5th grade too twin