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7mo

what's really stalling the genre is it being taken over by kids with little life experience and low desire to be expressive lyrically

The way i see rap is that while the sonics & flow were always important, and especially in the early days like the 70s, where people weren't really making overtly lyrical or thematic songs, the lyrics and presence on the track still mattered.

now we have kids who know they can coast on aesthetic, vibes, and production, and every song is just their take on what their sonic inspirations like Carti, Yeat, Drake, Future, or Thug do.
and so now, at least if you ask me, the few people that appeal to a listener of All genres are the old guys.
we get a few like Uzi and Yeat who have the crossover potential, and flashes of it, but most rappers now have a niche fanbase that only vibes with that specific sound.
I think we've gotta stop saying rap is dead.

there are plenty of rappers who are inspired by other genres

now are they known to the masses? not really, but they exist. you gotta hunt for em though

DicherdownDAVE9

7mo

the problem these lil niggas don’t respect hiphop ,or the niggas that came before them. niggas don’t know how to make classics because they didn’t grow up on hiphop classics.

This new generation don’t respect the craft

When I was 13 I knew classics from the 90s and 80s and respect the s*** out the genre. these niggas not real hiphop fans just looking for a quick buck because they got a little flow

Water Giver

7mo

Also mainstream and wannabe mainstream Rappers not listening to much if at all other genres also hurts the sample based producers

These Rappers end up not recognizing samples and sounds n harder times finding pockets n ideas and ish thus they pass on them leading to sampling becoming more rare in mainstream outside of sampling radio pop records that are so on the nose and recent

DicherdownDAVE9

7mo

the problem these lil niggas don’t respect hiphop ,or the niggas that came before them. niggas don’t know how to make classics because they didn’t grow up on hiphop classics.

This new generation don’t respect the craft

When I was 13 I knew classics from the 90s and 80s and respect the s*** out the genre. these niggas not real hiphop fans just looking for a quick buck because they got a little flow

Gosh

7mo

Yeah people always thought it was hard that Wayne only listened to himself

But to me that was a huge reason why he became so stunted

DicherdownDAVE9

7mo

the problem these lil niggas don’t respect hiphop ,or the niggas that came before them. niggas don’t know how to make classics because they didn’t grow up on hiphop classics.

This new generation don’t respect the craft

When I was 13 I knew classics from the 90s and 80s and respect the s*** out the genre. these niggas not real hiphop fans just looking for a quick buck because they got a little flow

insertcoolnamehere

7mo

This more a symptom of society than said rappers

Those rappers from the 80s and 90s and 00s had elders and music programs in schools and churches where they were exposed to different forms of music and genres where their styles could then be shaped.

A lot of rappers also played instruments (scarface, pimp c)

Now? The parents of today have to work 2-3 jobs leaving kids to be parented by the internet, music programs get defunded from schools more than ever, and the chickens came back to roost for all the trauma church kids went through so now the youth dont jack that either.

Tl;dr: capitalism sucks. Who knew

Uouj

7mo

Add the producers to this also.

Producers like Kanye, Dilla, Dre, RZA, Pharrell, Just Blaze, Juicy J/Dj Paul and their peers came up in households listening to gospel, R&B, funk, soul and Jazz.

When you hear those GOAT producers interview they all say thats what they grew up on.

Because those were the dominant genres in Black culture.

Now that Hip Hop has become the main genre, these new era producers come up listening to Drill Music, Wayne and Gucci mane. And it’s reflected in the generic production we’re hearing.

This era of producers are nowhere near the level of the older generation.

I don’t count alchemist, he’s from Ye’s era too.

Andre Jaquet

7mo

not really, think thats still extremely common its just also mixed with the same amount of rap influence cuz like its way more established

destroy lonely's fav artists are deftones, portishead, panchiko, paramore and his dad has talked at length about those types of influences being played in the home around him influenced him and being able to channel those into his own thing seperate from the hard 00s s*** his pops did w luda is what got him into rapping, his rap influences were people like duwap kaine, d savage, uzi

fakemink's inspos include imogen heap, dean blunt in a specific way thats clear

ken carson loves green day and slam metal, the intro to jennifers body is based on brain stew by green day u can clearly see his tastes in his music

Che loves EDM, witch house, hyperpop, etc and his music is unique for how much it pulls from electronic music

MIKE heritage is jamaican and he loves carribean music like dub and reggae which is clearly seen in his sample choices and rhythms, his flows are directly inspired by grime

uzi is a big fan of s*** like marilyn manson, paramore, rob zombie, simple plan beyond s*** like thug, kanye, ying yang twins

method man was born 1971 im not surprised he took influence from 70s and 80s music in his 90s reocrd the same way someone born in 2001 would take influence from 2000s and 2010s influence in their 2020s record

notbrock

7mo

You can list out all these different types of artists some of these goofballs say are their favorites all you want

At the end of the day its absolutely meaningless if they don’t take any actual musical influence from them

“Destroy Lonely loves Deftones and Portishead” cool man, so why’s he been making ripoff Carti songs for his whole career?

I hate even getting into these discussions because i already know your reply is gonna be “uh well technically he’s not copying carti and you can see the influence in the dark atmospheric blah blah”

And I know it’s because you yourself make that type of music. And that’s fine but at this point you’re no different than someone sitting on a MPC still making knockoff Dilla type beats. Hip Hop needs to evolve and we’ve been stuck because young artists are lacking skills and actual unique taste

DewMountain

7mo

While I won't deny that a lot of new artists are just in it for the money, why should they respect people who s*** all over their style of rap constantly?

Uouj

7mo

Add the producers to this also.

Producers like Kanye, Dilla, Dre, RZA, Pharrell, Just Blaze, Juicy J/Dj Paul and their peers came up in households listening to gospel, R&B, funk, soul and Jazz.

When you hear those GOAT producers interview they all say thats what they grew up on.

Because those were the dominant genres in Black culture.

Now that Hip Hop has become the main genre, these new era producers come up listening to Drill Music, Wayne and Gucci mane. And it’s reflected in the generic production we’re hearing.

This era of producers are nowhere near the level of the older generation.

I don’t count alchemist, he’s from Ye’s era too.

ThuggaBe

7mo

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I think that rappers that dont study the game f***ed the game

Like, every young blood is trying be a new Playboi Carti, but they dont even study his refs, like Tech n9ne, old lil Wayne, old gucci and try create something new

I started liking rap because of 50 Cent, the I go deep on Eminem/Dr.Dre, then I dig on his refs like Rakim, KRS-One, and s***. At a point that I was listen on some Jazz and blues

People RN is just shallow, and dont go deep on culture

notbrock

7mo

Producers were fine up until Internet Money and Pierre blew up. Then making beats turned into a video game/get rich quick scheme

First half of the 2010s gave us some legends that I’d personally rank with all the greats tho

notbrock

7mo

Not having music programs and access to instruments is actually what birthed hip hop in the first place

That’s why DJing became a thing. They made something that wasn’t an instrument into a instrument

Then that idea evolved further when samplers came out

Valentine

7mo

where do ya’ll be making up these blanket statements from bruh? lmfao. nigga said “I’m not shallow, they all are!”