Among all of this, there is a battlefield collapse as well.

Russian's quickly making it to Siversk without much issue

I don’t think it’s such a terrible outcome if Ukraine loses some land to Russia in order to end the bloodshed. Aren’t they ethnically Russia anyway? Wasn’t Ukraine shelling their easternmost regions 10 years ago?

To us and most of the world it isn't. But Ukraine made it a specific point (alongside Biden admin and Europe) to frame this war as existential, and politically this would be disastrous. They also made promises to win back every inch of territory, as if anything else was a complete loss.

If it turns out Ukraine sent hundreds of thousands of men to die fighting for those same regions just to give it up, a lot of Ukrainians are going to wonder why they couldn't have made a far better agreement in March 2022 or up through Summer 2022.

I don't think there's an actual way Zelensky can say yes to any deal unless he's willing to give up Presidency and or his ability to return to his country. He's in a unique position now though where he's pressured within his own party, by Ukrainian politics and U.S. on his admin's corruption scandal and i think Witkoff and others are being opportunistic

inshallah this war ends and extremist forces stop rampaging throughout europe

There was a lot of emotional reactions to the news and expectations of a quick Ukraine rejection but we'll see. This also seems to have more Trump backing than initially thought. Bloomberg's also saying this:

Trump supports the plan, according to a senior US official. Zelenskiy received signals from the US that he should accept the deal drawn up in consultation with Moscow, a person familiar with the matter said, asking not to be identified because the matter is sensitive.

Genuinely don't see the point of another Trump-Zelensky discussion though. Zelensky's on bad political footing and usually makes things worse when personally speaking to Trump. Also still doubt Moscow prefers this over continuing to bleed Ukraine out militarily so that there's a collapse

Yikes. Yermak must be a crucial fixer if you can't give in to literally everyone's pressure to fire him

I don't think that's the worst point in the agreement. Ukraine always wouldve lost part of their territory. The bigger problems are scaling back in their defense capacity, leaving them even more harmless to Russia, and depending on vague American protection, which they already did before

The scale back still leaves them with a larger army than they started with. I dont even think Ukraine in peacetime could afford an army of the size they currently have or the larger weapons. They'd have to cut it anyways. Reservist base is far larger now with the many under 25s they haven't forced conscription on and potential refugees returning home still available. You can also sign security and mutual defense deals with European states.

Ukraine simply doesn't have the leverage to enforce much here which is the issue. You can complain and reject s***ty deals sure, but what is your alternative? Surely not the battlefield, which they haven't had a meaningful counter at in 3 years

I think people are also a jumping the gun thinking Moscow likes this deal too. As it stands i think they'd be in an odd position if Ukraine said yes and pressure was on them.

If Ukraine agrees to concessions of this kind now, even in the case Moscow rejects or an agreed deal fails (ex. Gaza), Ukraine knows it can't take back that negotiating term

That's the biggest issue here. It politically cannot agree to concessions or there's no coming back. Every future deal will be based along the lines that Ukraine is willing to concede because they agreed to it before. Zelensky will also quickly be ousted, as he's already on shaky ground with the corruption scandal that his own party and oppositions internally are fighting him on

Concessions is obviously going to be the end result. They've been fighting this war on Russia's terms the whole time, unfortunately.

as much as i hope ukraine will have peace soon i dont see russia accepting it

Ukraine should reject this trash deal

theres a theory going around that the entire corruption thing is here to make sure ukraine actually doesnt pull out of the conflict and they follow the germany orders of lowering the conscription age and making sure it lasts for at least several more years. events in ukraine is writing about this lmk and ill try sharing his paywalled stuff on it with you

yermak and his aide tatarov are the most important people in ukrainian govt right now

At no point has the U.S. actually tried mediating literal Russia-Ukraine talks. Its just been this very bizarre tug of war between Trump factions. Certain people talk to Russia, others talk to Ukraine, the U.S. comes to two different agreements with both nations and then expects them to agree......on what?

When will we have actual U.S. negotiators guiding and settling friction points in a meeting between Russia and Ukraine? Then you can see who really is not willing to pursue agreements. That's how this is supposed to work

I wonder if the point is to even get them to agree on the same proposal. Doesn't seem like it. Feels like everyone including media got handed different versions

Trump doesn't know how diplomacy works tho

The US peace plan from last week was drawn from Russian documents never thought I’d see US and Russia coordinating so well

reuters.com/world/europe/us-peace-plan-ukraine-drew-russian-document-sources-say-2025-11-26

PUTIN'S PUPPET SHOWS HIS STRINGS

Looks like it’s unavoidable now. Yermaks out after his residence was raided

At every step, Zelensky binds himself to the wrong decisions until it’s too late

theyre lowering the conscription age and extending this s*** for another 2 to 3 years until europe builds up their military and then theyll push for capitulation and turn ukraine into a a demilitarized zone

If Russia agrees to freezing the front lines it can be over today

glad you recognize that ukrainians are getting f***ed from both ends here

I wonder what the state of the Russian military is right now