Russo-Ukrainian War

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  • Oct 9, 2022
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    Plankton

    It’s pretty obvious they are behind the Nordstream one

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    SEGA GOON

    The pipeline that provides gas to Europe, who they are wanting to cut gas off from anyway?

    This is like when people blamed the US for A*sad gassing his own people again. Real scum s***. Once again says a lot you commies have the exact same take as Tucker Carlson. Never change.

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    Plankton

    The pipeline that provides gas to Europe, who they are wanting to cut gas off from anyway?

    This is like when people blamed the US for A*sad gassing his own people again. Real scum s***. Once again says a lot you commies have the exact same take as Tucker Carlson. Never change.

    Usually when a country wants to stop supplying gas.....they often decide to just turn the taps off, which Russia had already done. They don't bomb it

    Russia got blamed for using the pipeline as blackmail to Europe, and then bombed their leverage?

    You should also look into U.S opinions and protests to Russian gas to Europe over the past 40 years

  • Oct 9, 2022
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    Plankton

    The pipeline that provides gas to Europe, who they are wanting to cut gas off from anyway?

    This is like when people blamed the US for A*sad gassing his own people again. Real scum s***. Once again says a lot you commies have the exact same take as Tucker Carlson. Never change.

    Yes destroy your only leverage, very logical

  • Oct 9, 2022
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    SEGA GOON

    Yes destroy your only leverage, very logical

    Hard to say it’s their only leverage when they are threatening nuclear armageddon

  • Oct 9, 2022
    YANDHI

    Usually when a country wants to stop supplying gas.....they often decide to just turn the taps off, which Russia had already done. They don't bomb it

    Russia got blamed for using the pipeline as blackmail to Europe, and then bombed their leverage?

    You should also look into U.S opinions and protests to Russian gas to Europe over the past 40 years

    Plausible deniability my guy

  • Oct 9, 2022
    Plankton

    Hard to say it’s their only leverage when they are threatening nuclear armageddon

    Dont make me pull up the ukrainians hyping up nuclear war

  • Oct 9, 2022
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    Plankton

    The pipeline that provides gas to Europe, who they are wanting to cut gas off from anyway?

    This is like when people blamed the US for A*sad gassing his own people again. Real scum s***. Once again says a lot you commies have the exact same take as Tucker Carlson. Never change.

    there have been actual scientific papers by emeritus professors questioning what happened in Syria, at least in Douma

    d3ba7j4nna908t.cloudfront.net/attachments/Attachment+4+-+Computational+Forensic+Analysis+for+the+Chemical+Weapons+Attack+at+Khan+Sheikhoun+on+April+4.+2017_S.pdf

    theodore postol literally worked in the pentagon and aided US military research for years and is a decorated scientists institutionally and academically also before you accuse him of being a foreign asset

    obviously it's up for wider debate but acting like there's never been any reason to question the situation with assad besides just ideological bias is idiotic

  • Oct 9, 2022
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    YANDHI

    Usually when a country wants to stop supplying gas.....they often decide to just turn the taps off, which Russia had already done. They don't bomb it

    Russia got blamed for using the pipeline as blackmail to Europe, and then bombed their leverage?

    You should also look into U.S opinions and protests to Russian gas to Europe over the past 40 years

    tbh ive said it before but i can kinda see it from the perspective if russia expected US/EU to stop buying from them anyway, they may as well do it and sow internal discord/distrust of the US. Especially if there's a US/EU policy coalition forming even more closely than it was before, on Russia's end if they're like okay this is gonna end up with us losing access due to coming escalated sanctions anyway, we may as well create a situation where the avg citizen will likely blame the US and/or simply have further rhetorical recourse for anti-interventionalism. I've been pretty neutral in this thread in general but i do think there's strategic value in doing these things more than people will want to admit.

  • Oct 9, 2022
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    krishna bound

    tbh ive said it before but i can kinda see it from the perspective if russia expected US/EU to stop buying from them anyway, they may as well do it and sow internal discord/distrust of the US. Especially if there's a US/EU policy coalition forming even more closely than it was before, on Russia's end if they're like okay this is gonna end up with us losing access due to coming escalated sanctions anyway, we may as well create a situation where the avg citizen will likely blame the US and/or simply have further rhetorical recourse for anti-interventionalism. I've been pretty neutral in this thread in general but i do think there's strategic value in doing these things more than people will want to admit.

    Except that didn't happen at all, the mainstream is hammering it into the heads that it was Russia. So IDK, seems like a reaction the FSB could have foreseen. Unless of course they are very incompetent

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    krishna bound

    there have been actual scientific papers by emeritus professors questioning what happened in Syria, at least in Douma

    https://d3ba7j4nna908t.cloudfront.net/attachments/Attachment+4+-+Computational+Forensic+Analysis+for+the+Chemical+Weapons+Attack+at+Khan+Sheikhoun+on+April+4.+2017_S.pdf

    theodore postol literally worked in the pentagon and aided US military research for years and is a decorated scientists institutionally and academically also before you accuse him of being a foreign asset

    obviously it's up for wider debate but acting like there's never been any reason to question the situation with assad besides just ideological bias is idiotic

    It’s perfectly reasonable to question it given what USG did and proposed to do in the 50s and 60s, but let’s be real, Tucker and them were acting like it was 100% the USA who did it.

  • Oct 9, 2022
    SEGA GOON

    Except that didn't happen at all, the mainstream is hammering it into the heads that it was Russia. So IDK, seems like a reaction the FSB could have foreseen. Unless of course they are very incompetent

    I'm not saying it was Russia 100%, I can of course see the angle for which the US would do it too. But I'm just saying acting like there's 0 reason Russia would ever do it isn't true. If the US did it, then US & US allies are gonna say Russia did it anyway - if Russia did it, then US & US allies are gonna say it was Russia too. So there's never a scenario where europe is gonna be like "yeah it was actually the US guys, pack it up" even if it was the US. that plausible deniability gives a lot of strategic ambiguity to an enemy esp. because they know people who distrust the authority there are likely to distrust public opinion regardless.

  • Oct 9, 2022
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    Plankton

    It’s perfectly reasonable to question it given what USG did and proposed to do in the 50s and 60s, but let’s be real, Tucker and them were acting like it was 100% the USA who did it.

    well yeah, but my point is that just because propagandists of a certain party say certain things doesnt mean the contrary take is always correct. tucker also said once we should hold corrupt pharmaceutical companies and a broken healthcare system responsible for opioid epidemics - bad messenger, sure, but it doesn't mean the opioid crisis doesn't exist. thinking when outcome/messages fall adjacent to a political alignment the outcome must be flawed if the alignment is flawed is one reason the current political landscape in the US is such a mess.

  • Oct 9, 2022
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    krishna bound

    well yeah, but my point is that just because propagandists of a certain party say certain things doesnt mean the contrary take is always correct. tucker also said once we should hold corrupt pharmaceutical companies and a broken healthcare system responsible for opioid epidemics - bad messenger, sure, but it doesn't mean the opioid crisis doesn't exist. thinking when outcome/messages fall adjacent to a political alignment the outcome must be flawed if the alignment is flawed is one reason the current political landscape in the US is such a mess.

    That was my point too as well lol. But with the acknowledgement that generally Russia and friends will trend more corrupt and evil than US and friends, so the default assumption is generally that these things aren't false flags, all else being equal.

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  • Oct 10, 2022
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    when y'all think this ends

  • Oct 10, 2022
    Plankton

    That was my point too as well lol. But with the acknowledgement that generally Russia and friends will trend more corrupt and evil than US and friends, so the default assumption is generally that these things aren't false flags, all else being equal.

  • Oct 10, 2022
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    HaroldsChicken

    when y'all think this ends

    Putins death may be an upper bound

  • Oct 10, 2022
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    Yuzzy

    Putins death may be an upper bound

  • Oct 10, 2022
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    HaroldsChicken
    https://twitter.com/Fxhedgers/status/1579344398105849856

    Fxhedgers

  • Oct 10, 2022
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    Yuzzy

    Fxhedgers

    they not about it?

  • Oct 10, 2022
    HaroldsChicken

    they not about it?

    No idea but haven't seen that from anyone else

    They are followed by Joscha Bach though

  • HaroldsChicken

    when y'all think this ends

    29/02

  • Oct 10, 2022
  • Oct 10, 2022

    @ukraine admin might want to call it a day