Aug 31, 2022·1 reply
deadacchow about a source for your own claims ?
and not one that can be traced back to William Randolph Hearst, aka "If Hitler succeeds in pointing the way of peace and order,
he will have accomplished a measure of good, not only for his own people, but for all of humanity.”Generally speaking, the work of Timothy Snyder is the best on this subject. He does a pretty good deep dive on how the Soviet death stats are stupidly inflated, while maintaining there's a case for holodomor being a genocide
- Aug 31, 2022·editedSEGA GOON
To equivocate the USSR with Nazi Germany is heinous, but as expected with eastern european right wingers
Poland got attacked for taking an entire chunk of Ukraine in the 1918 war prior. For someone who cries about Ukraine all day, you should know this. Galicia was all taken by Poland and the USSR got it back 2 decades later. If not for that, Ukraine would have lost Lviv, a town I am sure is so dear to your heart as a Zelensky enthusiast
Ussr was better than nazi Germany by far but they both committed awful crimes. Read Timothy Snyder. There is zero reason why this view isn't tenable. The ussr was an oppressive power but they had to fight tooth and nail to not have their people exterminated by a foe with beliefs far more intrinsically evil than their own
- Aug 31, 2022
Also respect on the ussr outside stalin, way smarter and wiser people than putler and his mafiosos
- Aug 31, 2022·1 replyleif erikson
eastern european right winger
zelensky enthusiast
ussr willing to help ukraine, not to expand their territory and influence
better stick to your memes, dweeb.
You are quite flustered about it. Maybe the Ukraine should give Galicia back to Poland if it was all just done for the USSR?
- Aug 31, 2022·2 replies
Crimea was also Russian for 200 years prior to the Russian SSR gifting it to the Ukrainian SSR in the 1950s, and before that it was Ottoman for another 200 years. Should Crimea be given back to Russia? To Turkey? Made independent?
- Aug 31, 2022·1 replySEGA GOON
Crimea was also Russian for 200 years prior to the Russian SSR gifting it to the Ukrainian SSR in the 1950s, and before that it was Ottoman for another 200 years. Should Crimea be given back to Russia? To Turkey? Made independent?
Can Greece have Constantinople then
- Aug 31, 2022·2 repliesTragedyBerlusconi
Can Greece have Constantinople then
Cutoff is 500 years im sorry
- Aug 31, 2022·1 replySEGA GOON
Cutoff is 500 years im sorry
Can Armenia have its real borders then
- Aug 31, 2022SEGA GOON
Cutoff is 500 years im sorry
Can Iran have Dagestan back?
Aug 31, 2022·2 replies
I f***ing love sanctions!
Aug 31, 2022TragedyBerlusconiCan Armenia have its real borders then
- Aug 31, 2022Scratchin Mamba
I f***ing love sanctions!
I just wish they didn't have nukes so we could give them a good hiding the old fashioned way (only in Ukraine though)
- Aug 31, 2022Scratchin Mamba
I f***ing love sanctions!
They also cant replace lost tanks and build weaponry now. Sanctions aren't just political they are also there to hurt military production, and at that they are succeeding
- Aug 31, 2022SEGA GOON
You are quite flustered about it. Maybe the Ukraine should give Galicia back to Poland if it was all just done for the USSR?
and take kuban instead. what kind of rhetoric is that?
soviets broke the non-aggression pact with poland, invaded without declaring the war and the further annexation caused many repressions and deportations. the fact that you using "ukrainian perspective" only to justify that is ridiculous
- Aug 31, 2022SEGA GOON
Crimea was also Russian for 200 years prior to the Russian SSR gifting it to the Ukrainian SSR in the 1950s, and before that it was Ottoman for another 200 years. Should Crimea be given back to Russia? To Turkey? Made independent?
you don't know why crimea was "gifted" to ukraine, right?
- Aug 31, 2022
- Aug 31, 2022
Smart b******s
- Aug 31, 2022·1 replyTragedyBerlusconi
Generally speaking, the work of Timothy Snyder is the best on this subject. He does a pretty good deep dive on how the Soviet death stats are stupidly inflated, while maintaining there's a case for holodomor being a genocide
this guy actually uses "authoritarian" as a metric for a political system and was mostly an atlantic council stooge to provide cover for the maidan coup elements.
if youre interested in an actual source how about davies and wheatcroft "The Years of Hunger: Soviet Agriculture, 1931-1933". they actually had access to the soviet archives and explain in detail how the famine happened and even what mistakes the soviet bureaucracy had made in the process.
- Aug 31, 2022·1 replydeadacc
this guy actually uses "authoritarian" as a metric for a political system and was mostly an atlantic council stooge to provide cover for the maidan coup elements.
if youre interested in an actual source how about davies and wheatcroft "The Years of Hunger: Soviet Agriculture, 1931-1933". they actually had access to the soviet archives and explain in detail how the famine happened and even what mistakes the soviet bureaucracy had made in the process.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjf78rL2PH5AhWfKkQIHa35AIgQFnoECDkQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiasporiana.org.ua%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fbooks%2F22207%2Ffile.pdf&usg=AOvVaw3zAgqLjGMplUUMJUTHcnLx
Nothing wrong with using authoritarian as a metric. Some states and systems are more authoritarian than others. Germany is less authoritarian than Hungary. Turkey is less authoritarian than KSA. The concept of negative liberty, while reductive, is recognised
Also your criticism of Snyder is almost pure ad hominem
- Aug 31, 2022·1 replyTragedyBerlusconi
Nothing wrong with using authoritarian as a metric. Some states and systems are more authoritarian than others. Germany is less authoritarian than Hungary. Turkey is less authoritarian than KSA. The concept of negative liberty, while reductive, is recognised
Also your criticism of Snyder is almost pure ad hominem
im reading his s*** its pure garbage. he has absolutely zero sources. just read the f***ing book or the relevant section E) CAUSES OF THE FAMINE. The authors f***ing hate stalin and you cant even read the book cuz ur so indulgent in your ideology.
and authoritarian is absolutely worthless when the united states literally sits on top of four oppressed nations and has been responsible in the toppling of how many governments and the outright execution of how many millions? its absolutely worthless and you can call anything authoritarian if you want.
- Aug 31, 2022·edited·1 replydeadacc
im reading his s*** its pure garbage. he has absolutely zero sources. just read the f***ing book or the relevant section E) CAUSES OF THE FAMINE. The authors f***ing hate stalin and you cant even read the book cuz ur so indulgent in your ideology.
and authoritarian is absolutely worthless when the united states literally sits on top of four oppressed nations and has been responsible in the toppling of how many governments and the outright execution of how many millions? its absolutely worthless and you can call anything authoritarian if you want.
The label of authoritarian in this setting is applied to domestic politics and laws. Which is why when judging how auth russia is you'd look at the situation in Russia and not how ukraine is being occupied.
Sure I hear that criticism but the domestic regimes can be assessed on how authoritarian they are.Also where are you reading his s***?
Wheatcroft and Davies both deem the famine as unintentional but man made. Which is a popular and respected opinion. What complicates this is Stalins refusal of aid to the starving areas
- Aug 31, 2022·1 replyTragedyBerlusconi
The label of authoritarian in this setting is applied to domestic politics and laws. Which is why when judging how auth russia is you'd look at the situation in Russia and not how ukraine is being occupied.
Sure I hear that criticism but the domestic regimes can be assessed on how authoritarian they are.Also where are you reading his s***?
Wheatcroft and Davies both deem the famine as unintentional but man made. Which is a popular and respected opinion. What complicates this is Stalins refusal of aid to the starving areas
i sent you a link a couple replies ago.
stalin literally sent 2.5 million tons of grain and opened the state reserves to feed people.
i dont even care about this s*** but you seriously have to read if you're going to discuss these things. you can't even talk about them if you're not setting a basis in events and things that actually verifiably happened.
how can it be BOTH UNINTENTIONAL and MAN MADE. why in the f***ing world would the soviet union be intentionally exacerbating a famine when they knew full well that the nazis were just waiting to colonize their entire landmass. please please stop talking about genocide when your f***ing british. im not gonna reply to this thread any longer.
- Aug 31, 2022·1 replydeadacc
i sent you a link a couple replies ago.
stalin literally sent 2.5 million tons of grain and opened the state reserves to feed people.
i dont even care about this s*** but you seriously have to read if you're going to discuss these things. you can't even talk about them if you're not setting a basis in events and things that actually verifiably happened.
how can it be BOTH UNINTENTIONAL and MAN MADE. why in the f***ing world would the soviet union be intentionally exacerbating a famine when they knew full well that the nazis were just waiting to colonize their entire landmass. please please stop talking about genocide when your f***ing british. im not gonna reply to this thread any longer.
'I'm not talking about genocide when your f***ing british'- then get the Turkish German guy to stop talking about European security while youre at it
Unintentional and man made clearly means it could be accidental, or a result of botched policy you windowlicking simpleton.
- Aug 31, 2022·1 replyTragedyBerlusconi
'I'm not talking about genocide when your f***ing british'- then get the Turkish German guy to stop talking about European security while youre at it
Unintentional and man made clearly means it could be accidental, or a result of botched policy you windowlicking simpleton.
read a book and blocked
