Aug 24, 2022·3 replies
TragedyBerlusconiNah that's different, I'd never support that, but importantly supporting ukraine does not equate to supporting zelensky or his party
The great thing about an independent and sovereign ukraine is that they can vote for someone else if they don't like this
Not when the parties opposing it are banned
Aug 24, 2022·1 replyScratchin MambaNot when the parties opposing it are banned
any party supporting unionism is clearly a Russian fifth column bro
- Aug 24, 2022
Lou10s of thousands dead with no end in sight, country forever flooded with weapons, comedian puppet president meeting with american celebrities, doing photoshoots, going full fascist cancelling democracy/labor rights and you’re doing smug “told ya so”s on KTT
i'm not seeing laws like this positively under normal circumstances. it's obviously for employers and not for employees, but it's difficult to give it an all-encompassing critique since it's wartime and the country is functioning differently now. but many s*** zelensky did before actually reminded me of yanukovych times in a bad way
going full fascist cancelling democracy/labor rights
i like this part tho, like it ain't disingenuous and you tankies care about ukraine, ukrainians and democracy. since all you're saying is that ukraine should surrender to russia, lose its land, history and identity. remember times when russian puppet yanukovych was a president, what was with small bussineses and labor rights? was it fascism? institutional racket? i'm pretty sure you didn't know about the country back then and it's not bothering you even now
didn't think i ever would be advocating for zelensky, but what's wrong with bringing public attention to the issue and looking for sources of help? where should he be, in trenches? or in the bunker like putin? zaluzhnyi runs this war. it's just seems you're angry that other people are helping ukraine and ZSU
- Aug 24, 2022
WRUcant stop thinking about this gif
the most pro-ukrainian russian
- Aug 24, 2022Scratchin Mamba
Not when the parties opposing it are banned
please name these parties, to be specific
- Aug 24, 2022·1 replyScratchin Mamba
Not when the parties opposing it are banned
There are many remaining left wing parties in ukraine.
I'm looking for the list of votes but the governing coalition has enough mps to pass whatever they want anyway, didn't need to ban parties to do that
- Aug 24, 2022Sir Real
any party supporting unionism is clearly a Russian fifth column bro
please name these parties, to be specific (2)
- Aug 24, 2022·2 repliesTragedyBerlusconi
There are many remaining left wing parties in ukraine.
I'm looking for the list of votes but the governing coalition has enough mps to pass whatever they want anyway, didn't need to ban parties to do that
Not really lmao, there's one that's maybe center left but the democratic Zelensky banned all significant left-wing parties
- Aug 24, 2022Scratchin Mamba
Not really lmao, there's one that's maybe center left but the democratic Zelensky banned all significant left-wing parties
just name them already
- Aug 24, 2022·1 replyScratchin Mamba
Not really lmao, there's one that's maybe center left but the democratic Zelensky banned all significant left-wing parties
The only significant 'left wing' party was opposition platform which was like, about as left wing as Tony Blair- just russophile
The communists were tiny and insignificant
- Aug 24, 2022SEGA GOON
https://www.barrons.com/news/macron-warns-sacrifices-ahead-after-end-of-abundance-01661332507
French President Emmanuel Macron warned Wednesday that France faced "sacrifices" in a new era marked by climate change and instability caused by Russia's invasion of Ukraine that signalled "the end of abundance".
…"I believe that we are in the process of living through a tipping point or great upheaval. Firstly because we are living through… the end of what could seem like the end of abundance," he said.
The speech appeared designed to prepare the country for what promises to be a difficult winter ahead, with energy prices rising sharply and many families struggling with inflation.
…Macron had vowed on Tuesday that European support for Ukraine would continue "for the long term" despite the cost and impact on incomes.
"Our system based on freedom in which we have become used to living, sometimes when we need to defend it, it can entail making sacrifices," Macron told ministers on Wednesday, reprising comments he made on August 19 during his holiday.
Macron had called on French people to "accept paying the price of liberty" during an address in the south of France.
…French inflation was clocked at 6.1 percent last month, one of the lowest rates in Europe thanks to government price caps on electricity and gas, as well as tax cuts on petrol and diesel.
But trade unions are pushing for major wage increases and have called for a day of strikes and rallies on September 29.
The head of the hard-left CGT union, Philippe Martinez, told BFM television that the president's speech was "inappropriate", adding that the poorest were already paying the price of the war and that further sacrifices could not be expected."He'll ask for them (sacrifices) and we will oppose them," Martinez said.
Based Macron
- Aug 24, 2022·1 replyTragedyBerlusconi
The only significant 'left wing' party was opposition platform which was like, about as left wing as Tony Blair- just russophile
The communists were tiny and insignificant
maybe you know what specific parties tankies implying? cause it's seems they don't know themselves. i'm genuinely curious
- Aug 24, 2022·1 replyleif erikson
maybe you know what specific parties tankies implying? cause it's seems they don't know themselves. i'm genuinely curious
The communists are one
I saw a really good list going in depth on this but can't find it
- Aug 24, 2022·2 repliesTragedyBerlusconi
The communists are one
I saw a really good list going in depth on this but can't find it
The 11 political parties banned include Opposition Platform for Life, which has 39 seats in the 450-seat Ukrainian parliament. Among the other parties banned are the Party of Sharity, Nashi (Ours) Party, Left Opposition, Union of Left Forces, Socialist parties. Several of these are left-wing parties and have been opposed to Ukrainian membership of NATO and the European Union (EU).
Being against NATO and/or EU membership = fifth column apparently
- Aug 24, 2022Scratchin Mamba
The 11 political parties banned include Opposition Platform for Life, which has 39 seats in the 450-seat Ukrainian parliament. Among the other parties banned are the Party of Sharity, Nashi (Ours) Party, Left Opposition, Union of Left Forces, Socialist parties. Several of these are left-wing parties and have been opposed to Ukrainian membership of NATO and the European Union (EU).
Being against NATO and/or EU membership = fifth column apparently
Most of these parties barely had any seats, meaning their presence in the Verkhovna rada was irrelevant to the passage of this bill
I can see a few nazbols, and nashi, a literal Russian founded organisation, movement and political machine that engages in intimidation there. These parties deserved to be banned, as being a militant movement that tries to intimidate voters is called 'terrorism'
Their left wing anti nato stances were not the reason
- Aug 24, 2022·1 reply
- Aug 24, 2022·2 replieshttps://twitter.com/vanillatary/status/1562441980717985793https://twitter.com/ClassicalSocdem/status/1562443408287080448TragedyBerlusconi
this is all such a stupid argument
no one taking part in this discussion actually believes in pure democracy anyway why are we arguing whether or not certain actions are acceptable under democracy or not - Aug 24, 2022·1 replykrishna bound
this is all such a stupid argument
no one taking part in this discussion actually believes in pure democracy anyway why are we arguing whether or not certain actions are acceptable under democracy or not No, however there are people claiming the banning was for purposes other than national security
- Aug 24, 2022TragedyBerlusconi
No, however there are people claiming the banning was for purposes other than national security
the people arguing that don't believe in democracy either, they're just dunking on it from the ideological position, which is what i'm saying. there's a reason I haven't criticized that, i'm very open that i think democracy is ed anyway
Aug 24, 2022·1 replyDemocracy is good unless it threatens the status quo of democracy in which case democracy is bad
- Aug 24, 2022americana
Democracy is good unless it threatens the status quo of democracy in which case democracy is bad
democracy is when values i agree with are in power the more those values are reflected in government the more democratic it is
- Aug 24, 2022·2 replies
Democracy is a system of collective decision making marked by collectively binding rules and equal participation
- Aug 24, 2022TragedyBerlusconi
Democracy is a system of collective decision making marked by collectively binding rules and equal participation
does equal participation include the chance for socially dangerous opposition to win?
- Aug 24, 2022·1 replykrishna bound
this is all such a stupid argument
no one taking part in this discussion actually believes in pure democracy anyway why are we arguing whether or not certain actions are acceptable under democracy or not Well one side here claims to believe in a pure liberal democracy
- Aug 24, 2022Scratchin Mamba
Well one side here claims to believe in a pure liberal democracy
i know, i've said before on prior pages they need to just admit they care more about values than hiding behind some faithful arbitration of moral procedures, it'd make their arguments at least somewhat less idiotic sounding