Jul 19, 2022·1 reply
TragedyBerlusconiThe issue with just saying to relinquish crimea and donbass is that the evidence that either region actually wants to be under russia isn't there
A few referendums held at gunpoint and a makeshift government of gangsters; warlords and pyramid scheme scammers make not a state
The Russians sent in little green men and took over, it wasnt an organic movement. Especially weak argument for any land beyond what the dpr and lnr were able to already get. No one in Kherson wants to be run by people who can't even run russia properly
The Donbass fighters numbered over 40-45,000 at the height of the 2014 conflict. It was pretty popular there
- Jul 19, 2022·1 replyamericana
The Donbass fighters numbered over 40-45,000 at the height of the 2014 conflict. It was pretty popular there
That's assuming they were actually from Donbass
- Jul 19, 2022·1 replyTragedyBerlusconi
That's assuming they were actually from Donbass
abc.net.au/news/2015-06-09/ukrainian-rebels-have-army-the-size-of-small-european-state/6530828
Per the Ukrainian Defense Minister
- Jul 19, 2022·1 replyamericana
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-09/ukrainian-rebels-have-army-the-size-of-small-european-state/6530828
Per the Ukrainian Defense Minister
Yes but that doesnt answer the fact there's a precedented chance a good portion of them were Russians who hopped the border in fancy dress like in crimea
Plus so what. Big army doesn't equal popular support
Jul 19, 2022·1 replyTragedyBerlusconiThe issue with just saying to relinquish crimea and donbass is that the evidence that either region actually wants to be under russia isn't there
A few referendums held at gunpoint and a makeshift government of gangsters; warlords and pyramid scheme scammers make not a state
The Russians sent in little green men and took over, it wasnt an organic movement. Especially weak argument for any land beyond what the dpr and lnr were able to already get. No one in Kherson wants to be run by people who can't even run russia properly
Delusional
- Jul 19, 2022·1 replyScratchin Mamba
Delusional
We smoking on that Givi pack
- Jul 19, 2022TragedyBerlusconi
Yes but that doesnt answer the fact there's a precedented chance a good portion of them were Russians who hopped the border in fancy dress like in crimea
Plus so what. Big army doesn't equal popular support
The article already accounts for the 9,000 Russian volunteers that also supplemented them
- Jul 19, 2022TragedyBerlusconi
We smoking on that Givi pack
Okay lol
- Jul 19, 2022·1 reply
There’s no way the annexations of crimea and the Dina as aren’t at least mildly popular amongst the population
- Jul 19, 2022americana
There’s no way the annexations of crimea and the Dina as aren’t at least mildly popular amongst the population
Mildly popular is the most likely level of popularity
- Jul 19, 2022·2 replies
For anyone who doubted what the war is about
- Jul 19, 2022·1 replyhttps://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1548692871678664710Plankton
For anyone who doubted what the war is about
Nah bro it's literally only about nato expansion. If the west didn't antagonise russia thered be no conflict at all and everything would be sunshine and geopolitical neutral daisies
- Jul 19, 2022TragedyBerlusconi
Nah bro it's literally only about nato expansion. If the west didn't antagonise russia thered be no conflict at all and everything would be sunshine and geopolitical neutral daisies
You had me going for a second there
- Jul 19, 2022·1 reply
The presence of even a tiny and now destroyed nazi contingent in the Ukrainian army warrants severe distrust of Ukraine
Yet ria novosti articles celebrating the capture of Ukraine, the night wolves, wagner group, Dmitry rogozin and now that quote do not attract anywhere near the same distrust for russia in this thread
Yes it's true that the popular narrative in our countries decisively align with Ukraine, so naturally they should be scrutinised, but it almost seems as if Russian atrocities just aren't even considered or looked at by certain people in here
Perhaps it's simply because they take Russian atrocities and fascism as certain, so don't need to talk about ahat they agree on. Or perhaps their common enemy, western neoliberalism means they're more motivated to celebrate crisis in Europe at the expense of looking at the consequences.
Ironically, this is the same type of short termism they criticise supporters of Ukraine and western intervention for
- Jul 19, 2022·1 reply
And let's be real if nato didn't expand post 92 the Russians would have made off with at least 2 baltic states, Ukraine and far greater influence in Poland by now
In public statements by Russian officials, party platforms (everyone from Yeltsin to the Communists) and popular discourse, there has long existed a very real and revanchjst sentiment in Russia. Gaining power in the post soviet space was always the goal. Sure they perceived nato as a threat but not just to them as a country, but also to their aim to regain power in tbis region. Not possible with nato
The Internet is teeming with such public statements and evidence that since the fall of the USSR, the Russian establishment has desired to be a hegemon in Eastern Europe.
- Jul 19, 2022
can this war just hurry up and end
- Jul 19, 2022·1 replyTragedyBerlusconi
The presence of even a tiny and now destroyed nazi contingent in the Ukrainian army warrants severe distrust of Ukraine
Yet ria novosti articles celebrating the capture of Ukraine, the night wolves, wagner group, Dmitry rogozin and now that quote do not attract anywhere near the same distrust for russia in this thread
Yes it's true that the popular narrative in our countries decisively align with Ukraine, so naturally they should be scrutinised, but it almost seems as if Russian atrocities just aren't even considered or looked at by certain people in here
Perhaps it's simply because they take Russian atrocities and fascism as certain, so don't need to talk about ahat they agree on. Or perhaps their common enemy, western neoliberalism means they're more motivated to celebrate crisis in Europe at the expense of looking at the consequences.
Ironically, this is the same type of short termism they criticise supporters of Ukraine and western intervention for
Putin's private army, the Wagner Group, active in Ukraine and Syria, is named after Richard Wagner, precisely because he was Hitler's favorite composer. I don't want to hear a damn thing about Ukrainian Nazis
- Jul 19, 2022Plankton
Putin's private army, the Wagner Group, active in Ukraine and Syria, is named after Richard Wagner, precisely because he was Hitler's favorite composer. I don't want to hear a damn thing about Ukrainian Nazis
Even if they're principled communists who don't want to support any imperialist power over another let's be real some imperialists are more tolerable than others. Everyone, including myself if forced to choose would choose to live under America than the Nazis.
Jul 20, 2022·1 replyTragedyBerlusconiAnd let's be real if nato didn't expand post 92 the Russians would have made off with at least 2 baltic states, Ukraine and far greater influence in Poland by now
In public statements by Russian officials, party platforms (everyone from Yeltsin to the Communists) and popular discourse, there has long existed a very real and revanchjst sentiment in Russia. Gaining power in the post soviet space was always the goal. Sure they perceived nato as a threat but not just to them as a country, but also to their aim to regain power in tbis region. Not possible with nato
The Internet is teeming with such public statements and evidence that since the fall of the USSR, the Russian establishment has desired to be a hegemon in Eastern Europe.
Russia should think of the reason why Eastern European countries even want(ed) to join NATO. They fear Russia. And why is that?
- Jul 20, 2022·3 repliesY0rn
Russia should think of the reason why Eastern European countries even want(ed) to join NATO. They fear Russia. And why is that?
Because of history. Now answer me why does Russia fear a western military alliance at their borders?
The only time Russia invaded a western country was to save them from themselves in WW2.
The west has invaded Russia three times in the 20th century. Once during WW1, then right after to overthrow the Bolshevik Revolution and then again during WW2. In all of these instances, Eastern European countries were used as allies to invade Russia.
For some reason, an imagined Russian threat to western Europe with no historical precedent at all is enough justification for our governments to ramp up military spending and to commit economic suicide, because supposedly we'd be next if we don't stop them in Ukraine. But if Russia fears a western military alliance closing in on their borders is of course totally irrational despite the fact that the west actually did invade Russia three times.
- Jul 20, 2022·1 replyScratchin Mamba
Because of history. Now answer me why does Russia fear a western military alliance at their borders?
The only time Russia invaded a western country was to save them from themselves in WW2.
The west has invaded Russia three times in the 20th century. Once during WW1, then right after to overthrow the Bolshevik Revolution and then again during WW2. In all of these instances, Eastern European countries were used as allies to invade Russia.
For some reason, an imagined Russian threat to western Europe with no historical precedent at all is enough justification for our governments to ramp up military spending and to commit economic suicide, because supposedly we'd be next if we don't stop them in Ukraine. But if Russia fears a western military alliance closing in on their borders is of course totally irrational despite the fact that the west actually did invade Russia three times.
'The west' is an anachronism in this regard. 'The west' didn't invade Russia. Specific countries invaded Russia. Different alliances.
Russia has a history of war and invasions. Defensive, but also often offensive. At this moment in time, Russia is an agressor for neighbouring countries. Being part of NATO is a safebelt for these countries. Russia should think of that, is the only thing I said, and you respond all defensive. You was the one not believing in a Russian invasion of Ukraine in the first place
- Jul 20, 2022·1 replyY0rn
'The west' is an anachronism in this regard. 'The west' didn't invade Russia. Specific countries invaded Russia. Different alliances.
Russia has a history of war and invasions. Defensive, but also often offensive. At this moment in time, Russia is an agressor for neighbouring countries. Being part of NATO is a safebelt for these countries. Russia should think of that, is the only thing I said, and you respond all defensive. You was the one not believing in a Russian invasion of Ukraine in the first place
It was only specific countries during WW1 & WW2. After the Bolshevik Revolution it was the entirety of the west.
It doesn't take away from the fact that plenty of western countries have invaded Russia, Russia only invaded the west to fight against Nazis. Yet everything is still justified in the name of defending Western Europe from Russian aggression, which has no historical precedent, the opposite does.
Eastern European countries being fearful of Russia is much more justified than Western countries trying to act like they're in the same boat as them, fake ass solidarity lol. The West wants to imagine themselves as victims of Russian so bad it's actually hilarious
- Jul 20, 2022·2 repliesScratchin Mamba
It was only specific countries during WW1 & WW2. After the Bolshevik Revolution it was the entirety of the west.
It doesn't take away from the fact that plenty of western countries have invaded Russia, Russia only invaded the west to fight against Nazis. Yet everything is still justified in the name of defending Western Europe from Russian aggression, which has no historical precedent, the opposite does.
Eastern European countries being fearful of Russia is much more justified than Western countries trying to act like they're in the same boat as them, fake ass solidarity lol. The West wants to imagine themselves as victims of Russian so bad it's actually hilarious
I wouldn't say the entirity, but the big players yes.
It is not in the name of Western Europe that Eastern European countries want to join NATO. That was the point. I don't see where your comment is a response on, I'm not even saying Western Europe is threatened by Russia, or should be afraid of Russia.
Russia should think of the reasons why neighbouring countries want to join NATO
Jul 20, 2022https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1548692871678664710PlanktonFor anyone who doubted what the war is about
Brief, succinct and convincing!