Scratchin Mamba

4y

If u actually care about the TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY OF UKRAINE in Donbass u lost bro tbh

The people there don't wanna be part of Ukraine, at that point it's up to them two to fight it out as an outsider, who am i to decide whether their territorial integrity is more important than their claim to self-determination

But ofc geopolitics it's territorial integrity for your friends, self-determination of minorities for your enemies. But imagine actually buying into that acting like it's some principled stance for somebody not even from there lol

Y0rn

4y

That's why I said I hope Ukraine can see they need to give up on the east. Claim to self-determination is actually more important to me. It also can end this war, since Putin can go home with a W. At least i hope that's enough for him now

If tomorrow Limburg wants to be independent or go to Germany or Belgium I'm saying 'Yes, please. You can go'

Y0rn

4y

That's why I said I hope Ukraine can see they need to give up on the east. Claim to self-determination is actually more important to me. It also can end this war, since Putin can go home with a W. At least i hope that's enough for him now

If tomorrow Limburg wants to be independent or go to Germany or Belgium I'm saying 'Yes, please. You can go'

Scratchin Mamba

4y

Well then the West could have advocated for those things and neutrality instead of just dumping a bunch of weapons in a country where they giving out guns to criminals lmao

Y0rn

4y

I'm not leading the West tho. And those weapons did make sure the rest of Ukraine wasn't taken. So it gave them this position of being able to even negotiate bout giving up a part of their country to end this war instead of not being at the table at all

I think behind the scenes European countries are actually still pushing for that and thinking bout what comes after. It's the USA which sees Russia isn't as strong as thought and wants to push them back further and thus prolonging this war. And it's also Russia themselves of course, they are the invader after all. If Ukraine agrees with the independence of the Donbas i wonder if that's enough for them

Scratchin Mamba

4y

Well then the West could have advocated for those things and neutrality instead of just dumping a bunch of weapons in a country where they giving out guns to criminals lmao

Y0rn

4y

As in Ukraine would've lost most of its territory by now, Russia would've installed a new pro-Russian regime and would've killed off or jailed Zelensky. Even more of the country would've been destroyed, more deaths, maybe even more refugees

Without those weapons there would be no Ukraine anymore. Russia will still 'win' in a sense since they will easily hold the east. But at least Ukraine holds some sovereighnty over the rest of the country. I hope they eventually can agree on giving up the east and end this war

Y0rn

4y

I'm not necessarily agreeing with it either, but i see no alternative

MyBallsAndMyWord

4y

Honestly I really don’t give a f*** if Zelensky gets murked considering he’s been trying his damndest to drag us all into WW3 for the past two months

Y0rn

4y

He's corrupt af, but i don't wish death on him tho. He's just crying out for help for his country and i can't blame him for that

Htownwolf

4y

Should have helped his country by negotiating before the invasion happened
Thats what politicians are elected to do yet they fail the people time and time again

Y0rn

4y

Yeah, he should've done that. But that's something we say after the invasion. Or did you say it before this happened?

Does that make me wish death on him tho? No. His country also got stuck in between two superpowers who don't want to back down. He always believed he could be part of NATO, cause the USA didn't want to say it wasn't possible. And Russia just uses that argument as a way to invade a country to install a puppet government (their initial plan).

I do think he should've negotiated long ago with the seperatist regions, but he's probably scared for the ultranationalists like Scratchin said. He got elected on that if i'm not mistaking

Kinda weird to make a statement like that imo. Our friend Putin has way more blood on his hands and I won't even wish death on him. Not saying he shouldn't be punished ofc

Y0rn

4y

Yeah, he should've done that. But that's something we say after the invasion. Or did you say it before this happened?

Does that make me wish death on him tho? No. His country also got stuck in between two superpowers who don't want to back down. He always believed he could be part of NATO, cause the USA didn't want to say it wasn't possible. And Russia just uses that argument as a way to invade a country to install a puppet government (their initial plan).

I do think he should've negotiated long ago with the seperatist regions, but he's probably scared for the ultranationalists like Scratchin said. He got elected on that if i'm not mistaking

Kinda weird to make a statement like that imo. Our friend Putin has way more blood on his hands and I won't even wish death on him. Not saying he shouldn't be punished ofc

Htownwolf

4y

Imagine letting ultranationalist scare you away from making sound decisions lmao
The blood of his people is on his hands just as much as it is on putins

MyBallsAndMyWord

4y

But I thought the ultranationalist/Nazi problem “wasn’t that big of deal”?

So what’s he so afraid of? You’re not saying Nazis have a degree of institutional power in Ukraine are you? 😱

Y0rn

4y

Yeah, he should've done that. But that's something we say after the invasion. Or did you say it before this happened?

Does that make me wish death on him tho? No. His country also got stuck in between two superpowers who don't want to back down. He always believed he could be part of NATO, cause the USA didn't want to say it wasn't possible. And Russia just uses that argument as a way to invade a country to install a puppet government (their initial plan).

I do think he should've negotiated long ago with the seperatist regions, but he's probably scared for the ultranationalists like Scratchin said. He got elected on that if i'm not mistaking

Kinda weird to make a statement like that imo. Our friend Putin has way more blood on his hands and I won't even wish death on him. Not saying he shouldn't be punished ofc