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  • Sep 10, 2020

    The exact model of the Soviet Union is not the answer to the worlds problems today, but the successes they've had in comparison to capitalist countries that were at their level of development are undeniable.

  • Sep 10, 2020
    Triplesss

    I agree but there will be tons of people who are just contempt. It'd be an interesting thing tho. I think part of the reason people have so much stress is for basic needs. It's like a double edged sword.

    But if people actually had a job that they could actually live on then idk, think it would promote better workers

    Love how Target finally said we gonna make minimum wage $15 a hour

    Targets turnover rate will probably decrease significantly

  • Sep 10, 2020
    plants

    These type of threads always do bare numbers.

    i be off ktt for a few hours and miss all the s*** lol

  • Sep 10, 2020
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    Scratchin Mamba

    Commie

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    imdoinf

    R u talking US or globally lmfao, what about Russia and Germany

    Soviet Union started out with communist ambitions but Synopsis is right in the sense that no state has ever been legitimately communist in the way Marx laid out. "Communist Party" and similar labels are just applied to countries where the state owns a good portion of the market and are actively (so they say) working towards the ultimate goal of communism.

    By this same logic there has never been a fully free-market capitalist country with no intervention from the government. The reality is all modern states are a varying levels of a "mixed" economy

  • Sep 10, 2020
    CactusJackSentYa

    Going to be honest, I'm not actually asking this to s*** on Socialism

    But this is usually the question I get whenever I told niggas I was a Bernie Supporter, cause the right loves to use the "socialism never worked" argument as an immediate slam dunk, even tho none of these guys are actual socialists

    I've never seen a legit answer that wasn't a deflection.

    gowans.blog/2012/12/21/do-publicly-owned-planned-economies-work

    "From the moment in 1928 that the Soviet economy became publicly owned and planned, to the point in 1989 that the economy was pushed in a free market direction, Soviet GDP per capita growth exceeded that of all other countries but Japan, South Korea and Taiwan. GDP per person grew by a factor of 5.2, compared to 4.0 for Western Europe and 3.3 for the Western European offshoots (the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) (Allen, 2003). In other words, over the period in which its publicly owned, planned economy was in place, the USSR‘s record in raising incomes was better than that of the major industrialized capitalist countries."

    "No other country had more physicians per capita or more hospital beds per capita than the USSR. In 1977, the Soviet Union had 35 doctors and 212 hospital beds per 10,000 compared to 18 doctors and 63 hospital beds in the United States (Szymanski, 1984). Most important, healthcare was free. That US citizens had to pay for their healthcare was considered extremely barbaric in the Soviet Union, and Soviet citizens “often questioned US tourists quite incredulously on this point”"

    "For example, outside its southern core, Latin America’s GDP per capita was $1,332 (1990 US dollars), almost equal to the USSR’s $1,370. By 1989, the Latin American figure had reached $4,886, but average income in the Soviet Union had climbed far higher, to $7,078 (Allen, 2003). Public ownership and planning had raised living standards to a higher level than capitalism had in Latin America, despite an equal starting point. Moreover, while the Soviet peacetime economy unfailingly expanded, the Latin American economy grew in fits and starts, with enterprises regularly shuttering their doors and laying off employees."

    "Perhaps the best illustration of how public ownership and planning performed better at raising living standards comes from a comparison of incomes in Soviet Central Asia with those of neighboring countries in the Middle East and South Asia. In 1928, these areas were in a pristinely pre-industrial state. Under public ownership and planning, incomes grew in Soviet Central Asia to $5,257 per annum by 1989, 32 percent higher than in neighboring capitalist Turkey, 44 percent higher than in neighboring capitalist Iran, and 241 percent higher than in neighboring capitalist Pakistan (Allen, 2003). For Central Asians, it was clear on which side of the Soviet Union’s border standards of living were highest."

    Some more factoids for ya headtop

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    tbh i hate to say it but a perfect mix of capitalism and socialism is the way forward

  • Sep 10, 2020
    CactusJackSentYa

    Commie

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    BIGGWAVE

    i meant where has communism succeeded?

    there is state in India where marxist party is popular and apparently its one best places in india

    not defending communism but i believe in small scale communism/socialism does work

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    dadye

    tbh i hate to say it but a perfect mix of capitalism and socialism is the way forward

    You cant have a mix

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    EuroNymous

    there is state in India where marxist party is popular and apparently its one best places in india

    not defending communism but i believe in small scale communism/socialism does work

    damn bro
    thats the only argument u got
    and the mainland india is obviously propping them up

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    Synopsis

    You cant have a mix

    Scandinavia disagrees

  • Sep 10, 2020
    BIGGWAVE

    damn bro
    thats the only argument u got
    and the mainland india is obviously propping them up

    oh you shouldn't ask me since i am socdem but i know it does well

    i believe in nordic/socdem but in the future is not capitalism since automation is coming closer and closer

  • Sep 10, 2020

    Realistically: would pick democratic socialism
    In a perfect world: would pick capitalism

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    When doc says i got 179 more seconds to live

  • Sep 10, 2020

    if your getting 25% unemployment your having a revolution

  • Sep 10, 2020
    JMC

    Soviet Union started out with communist ambitions but Synopsis is right in the sense that no state has ever been legitimately communist in the way Marx laid out. "Communist Party" and similar labels are just applied to countries where the state owns a good portion of the market and are actively (so they say) working towards the ultimate goal of communism.

    By this same logic there has never been a fully free-market capitalist country with no intervention from the government. The reality is all modern states are a varying levels of a "mixed" economy

    There won't ever be a fully free market capitalist society thank god. Capitalism reforms itself in order to survive

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    bot

    Scandinavia disagrees

    Propped up by imperialism and being on the periphery

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    Synopsis

    Capitalism has never succeeded

    Lmao the most popular country in the world would beg to differ

  • Sep 10, 2020

    a decommodified base level of essentials

    market for everything else

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    yungking

    Lmao the most popular country in the world would beg to differ

    It's only succeeded if you admit its goals arent guaranteeing a good life for its people

  • Sep 10, 2020
    yungking

    Lmao the most popular country in the world would beg to differ

    The one where white ppl voted themselves free real estate in the West?

  • Sep 10, 2020

    OP is using this s*** to collect data. Don’t trust him

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    capitalism. wouldn't change my way of life and for others i can't say that i care.

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