Pick One: Socialism or Capitalism?

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    Synopsis

    He doesn't care about them

    Yeah nice try

    Have you been to any of those countries, actually spoken to any of those people? I have, I bet you haven't

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    DEL_3352

    I'm Australian

    I'm against globalisation for the most part, I don't think big companies should be exploiting cheap labour overseas in any form

    reducing government oversight and reducing exploited labor are two mutually exclusive things in a capitalistic society

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    DEL_3352

    Yeah nice try

    Have you been to any of those countries, actually spoken to any of those people? I have, I bet you haven't

    i’ve been to India and lived in Afghanistan

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    Americana 2

    reducing government oversight and reducing exploited labor are two mutually exclusive things in a capitalistic society

    As I said earlier, I don't want to totally strip government of all power lol

    I merely think that capitalism makes more sense as the foundation of a society, as opposed to a marxist based society

    I'm not saying I want pure unadulterated capitalism

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    Americana 2

    i’ve been to India and lived in Afghanistan

    I'm glad

    That was me going at Synopsis, not you

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    DEL_3352

    do you even know where those ideas originate from?

    do you know anything about the ideas of critical theory, foucault, derrida?

    my real issue is people who just eat that s*** up

    i think the more pertinent question is what criticisms do you have of those ideas?

    i remember linking this report to you, which you didn't end up replying to: ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing

    i explained that it compared the sentences of black and white individuals who have been convicted of similar crimes, while controlling for several variables including criminal history

    given the disparity here, what would you attribute it to if not systemic racism? this disparity also fits into a general trend of policies affecting black people and other POC negatively

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    DEL_3352

    As I said earlier, I don't want to totally strip government of all power lol

    I merely think that capitalism makes more sense as the foundation of a society, as opposed to a marxist based society

    I'm not saying I want pure unadulterated capitalism

    the foundation of capitalism is literally the idea that capital is generated through labor that is extracted for less than it's actual worth

    you can't have capitalism without an arbitrary hierarchy where the bottom is having their labor being extracted for nothing and the highest rung extracting all of the labor below them

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    DEL_3352

    Yeah nice try

    Have you been to any of those countries, actually spoken to any of those people? I have, I bet you haven't

    does that really matter though

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    decked

    i think the more pertinent question is what criticisms do you have of those ideas?

    i remember linking this report to you, which you didn't end up replying to: https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing

    i explained that it compared the sentences of black and white individuals who have been convicted of similar crimes, while controlling for several variables including criminal history

    given the disparity here, what would you attribute it to if not systemic racism? this disparity also fits into a general trend of policies affecting black people and other POC negatively

    my criticisms of those ideas are that they put collective identity above individual identity, and collective identity can be defined infinite different ways based on arbitrary characteristics, when individual identity is a unique amalgamation of characteristics. i think that the identity of an individual should be held higher than merely their place in a collective group

    as for that study, i asked for you to point out where in the study it controlled for differences in severity of crime in the sample groups as this would obviously effect the averages, by my recollection you couldn't

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    Frog

    does that really matter though

    It matters hugely

    I've seen those societies with my own eyes, spoken to those people about their thoughts and beliefs on a one on one, face-to-face basis

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    DEL_3352

    It matters hugely

    I've seen those societies with my own eyes, spoken to those people about their thoughts and beliefs on a one on one, face-to-face basis

    doing what

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    Frog

    doing what

    Well it's shown me how the vast majority of those people would love nothing more than to be able to come to successful, democratic, capitalist nations. To be able to start businesses and live lives that reward them for wanting more out of life. To have opportunities to succeed and live happily free of dictatorship and authoritarian control

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    DEL_3352

    Well it's shown me how the vast majority of those people would love nothing more than to be able to come to successful, democratic, capitalist nations. To be able to start businesses and live lives that reward them for wanting more out of life. To have opportunities to succeed and live happily free of dictatorship and authoritarian control

    im asking what were you doing in those countries... like why were you there? tourism?

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    DEL_3352

    my criticisms of those ideas are that they put collective identity above individual identity, and collective identity can be defined infinite different ways based on arbitrary characteristics, when individual identity is a unique amalgamation of characteristics. i think that the identity of an individual should be held higher than merely their place in a collective group

    as for that study, i asked for you to point out where in the study it controlled for differences in severity of crime in the sample groups as this would obviously effect the averages, by my recollection you couldn't

    contemplate the danger of a man who thinks only of himself

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    DEL_3352

    Well it's shown me how the vast majority of those people would love nothing more than to be able to come to successful, democratic, capitalist nations. To be able to start businesses and live lives that reward them for wanting more out of life. To have opportunities to succeed and live happily free of dictatorship and authoritarian control

    also i dont know why anyone continues to bother arguing with you when you continually falsely equivocate socialism with authoritarianism

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    social democracy

    we need dat.

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    Frog

    im asking what were you doing in those countries... like why were you there? tourism?

    Yeah more or less, I spend most of my disposable income on going out and seeing the world

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    Frog

    contemplate the danger of a man who thinks only of himself

    Who ever said I did?

    I just use those experiences to supplement my own understandings and my own world view

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    Frog

    also i dont know why anyone continues to bother arguing with you when you continually falsely equivocate socialism with authoritarianism

    Well it comes back to the question of whether or not hierarchies are inherent among human

    I believe they are

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    feudalism

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    dundis

    didn't really say anything about that. i just said I'd rather live in a capitalist country, because it serves ME (and my family) better. whether other people suffer is not my concern. socialism would probably come with a lifestyle change for me.

    not trying to troll here, im really being honest. i have a hard time feeling any kind of sympathy towards people, their suffering, living conditions etc. unless i know what it feels like.

    if i did have that capacity i probably would've championed for something that's beneficial for the whole population.

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    decked

    dude doesnt believe in systemic racism lmao f*** what he thinks

    That’s why we need smaller government

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    DEL_3352

    my criticisms of those ideas are that they put collective identity above individual identity, and collective identity can be defined infinite different ways based on arbitrary characteristics, when individual identity is a unique amalgamation of characteristics. i think that the identity of an individual should be held higher than merely their place in a collective group

    as for that study, i asked for you to point out where in the study it controlled for differences in severity of crime in the sample groups as this would obviously effect the averages, by my recollection you couldn't

    no, you asked "does this compare white and black individuals who commit the same crimes on a case by case basis?

    or is it comparing average sentences of black men as a group with the average sentences of white men as a group?"

    it does take into account differences in severity of crime, as it only a***yzes black and white individuals who have been convicted of similar crimes.

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    RoomOnFire

    That’s why we need smaller government

    first step is to acknowledge that it even exists

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    as libertarian as possible but with protection for children

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