the way i see it, fame is a kind of a trauma and it freezes you so, whatever age you get famous at, you're stuck in it. Drake got big at 23/24? So that's why at 39, he runs around acting 23/24, worried about IG s*** and being unserious, like a 23/24 year old.

True brother

I mean I think both of those things are just genuine interests to the artists. Don't think it's fair to call either pandering. Kendrick is obviously the "deeper" artist and I'm sure Drake genuinely loves gambling (so Stake/Kick) lol

With a lot of these disses generally and from both sides you can poke holes, it's about insulting the guy in the moment. Drake was looking for something to say, and to the casual fan who doesn't like Kendrick's deeper music it works to them. I get you though, to you and to a neutral who appreciates the topics Kendrick talks about it's a weird angle.

Lmaoo

Both have 4 classics.Drake is more versatile, Kendrick is a better story teller

I think Drake just wants to stay relevant and the youths interests is the way to maintain that for as long as possible. You're always gonna eventually be seen as the old head rapper, which idk if he's accepted yet so he wants to stay locked in with that younger audience as long as he can. Because at the end of the day (to me) in the mainstream, the younger audience dictates what's good & popular.

As somebody who wanted the beef to continue, that song just made me sad

How is Drake more versatile?

Geniunely asking.

Yes this what he’s doing

Word for word at all of the shows,
You always felt like this, man, what did I miss?

U with me, weston road flows, Feel no ways, still here, etc

and thats one album

I'm sure drake loves gambling too, that's his call. I just find it weird he's always around these college aged streamers. I get that he has to though if he wants to remain on top, but, yeah, it looks odd to me.

You can tell Drake kinda rushed that s***. He was over it after that and needed to get the last word

he had to! It all adds up to me as his tactical mistakes... you can't mock a guy for taking his time and then take your time!

this too, I think he's terrified of being seen as an oldhead or " unc" or whatever we're calling old people nowadays

I think he's done well to maintain it so far, it's slightly working, but we'll have to see as time passes if he can capture a new generation of fans again.

It works for him as well because I know you're saying they're college aged streamers but those guys feel like prime Drake fan ages. Adin born in 2000, 13 for NTWS then the music scene in his teens taken over by '16 Views / '18 Scorpion.

Lmao I was literally at IAAB tour too singing my ass off

I go back to the thread on here of people being surprised Clipse outsold Wayne. It’s one thing to stay “relevant” but is he really building lifelong fans. I feel like if you’re constantly switching up to stay fresh then yeah you might hang around but you won’t really resonate with those new fans and in the process you kind of lose that connection with your old fans.

At the same time though, the Papis Angels crowd does seem to have a lot of that mental illness levels of the BeyHive/Swifties kind of pop star fandom so he might be safe forever with his dedicated fanbase.

I used to have a cat named after Murphy Lee

Was obsessed with the Air Force ones song as a youngster

Clipse thing didn't surprise me because Pusha T did a good job building with this new generation with King Push, Daytona, the beef with Drake & his old relationship with Kanye. Then they brought this project out with a good roll out and actual solid music. His old fans and new fans turned up.

In that same time period (basically since Carter V dropped) it feels like Lil Wayne has been half asleep on cruise control! Wayne relying on legacy whilst Push was actually continue to build. If Wayne woke up and had a team plan things properly he could be bigger rn, but they clearly don't care.

Wayne's team is dog s*** and I think Wayne is fried and/or delusional.

Awww f*** me! I just made the whole connection!

Yeah. That line was easily the worst in the entire battle.

That said, I think Drake was going for the calling Kendrick "fake deep" angle but fumbled it with shock value.

Jay tried to do a similar thing to Nas during their beef.

On Blueprint 2, he said:

"Can't y'all see that he's fake, the rap version of T.D. Jakes
Prophesizing on your CD's and tapes."

"'Cause the nigga wear a kufi, it don't mean that he bright"

"Is it Black Girl Lost or shorty owe you for ice?"

It's a similar tactic of trying to call out of conscious rapper for being a hypocrite or positioning himself as pro-Black.

In both Drake and Jay's cases, it failed because Kendrick and Nas always showcased their flaws and how multi-faceted they are.

But it worked more effectively when Common dissed Ice Cube because Cube used to be a notorious flip flopper not much different from Snoop today.

Keep in mind family matters entire weight rest on fake allegations about his son not being his and him beating his wife (same song where he sexualizes said wife mans tells her to shake as by name btw) ???and in heart of 6 he makes up that he was molested?

U could say hurt durr fake pedi allegations but those r based in sh it that was out there that people actually believe made him suspicious of that drake just not only pulled all that out his ass it wasn’t convincing in the slightest or clever and was easily dismantled