technically tho there is a difference between production and beatmaking. no knock to beatmaking but production is s*** like arranging the song deciding where the bridge should go etc but i’m not gonna speak on whether mach does or not. it’s like when kanye provided not just the beat for lucifer but did the hook etc it takes more than just making a beat

That all Dre did was make the beats but Snoop actually produced it?

did i reference loosies or the mta?

daz made the beats on the album but dre i guess the “producer”

really like droog work a lot more now since he worked with argov

Turn them 40 Belows

to Manolo Blahniks

who’s peeped the new skyzoo it’s aoty mach who isn’t even top 500 mc ever couldn’t do what skyzoo doing

LAMBO!

what happened to hermes666

You right, no grandma references too smh

Such a specious way of taking credit from producers

mach said something ages ago bout muggs being the first true producer he’s met which is wild to me lmao

"if you niggas really know me, none of you would quote me"
isnt that a mach bar? or something similar, cant remember the song

(unintelligible french), approach me, if these niggas really knew me NOT ONE NIGGA WOULD QUOTE ME

delta force (🐐)

allen iversion

maybe warning shot

VI (😩)

partridge

diamond exchange

gourmandise

rare bulgarian or continental breakfast

lapriye

Please Skyzoo more washed up than a laundromat in heaven . Nobody besides Griselda could top Mach’s album, if ANYTHING, MIKE with disco on 6/21

I like Skyzoo's album but no need to slander Mach to get your point across

not Ka not Roc Marci old ass not ANYONE is f***ing with Mach-HOMMY

This kid has s*** takes for days

I'm not gonna necessarily defend Mach on every instance of his differentiation between beatmaker and producer but there is often a distinction to be made and if it was a third party doing production work I don't think people would have any issue crediting their work.
It's unfortunate that producer in hip hop has come to mean a hybrid between a writing credit (the more significant portion of the work generally speaking) and production work - there is often a lot to be done to make a delivered beat work in the context of a given track - that is work that deserves crediting, especially when performed by a third party.
However the "beatmaker/beats by" credit often feels unnecessarily reductive: even if it's understood that there's more to a "beat" than just the beat, it feels dismissive when it's issued in the format beats by Sadhugold, production Mach-Hommy.
This is a problem that imo is mostly semantic and which often serves to dismiss third-party production work which in other genres would be credited, no questions asked. In an alternate timeline where the dominant name for a person who provides instrumentals for hip-hop tracks was beatmaker instead of producer, no one would bat an eye at production credits. Unfortunately I think the only realistic solution is the proliferation of separate beatmaker and production credits with more liberal use of co-production credits.

On the 'So High' cut, I wondered whether that 'extensive co-production assistance' might mean that Edan and Droog laced the beat with additional layers of guitar or at least echo... would be within Edan's wheelhouse