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  • Jul 22, 2020
    thevoyce

    I feel that. To me, MIKE is only 21 and has not only created a movement, but also has influenced his idols and peers. I listen to him and the sLUms more than anyone besides Mach & Roc.

    Great point. He’s already really established and has a great catalog. Excited to see what he does next

  • Jul 22, 2020
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    WRU

    revenge is everywhere in Shakespeare's plays. Hamlet, Othello, Macbeth just to name a few are all revolving around revenge. there are numerous studies, articles and I would imagine even books on that theme in his works, something that I found off a quick google search:
    https://www.nosweatshakespeare.com/play-themes/revenge/

    I think woods saying 'Shakespearean vengeance' on a record was a moment I put him in my top 5 of all time from there on out

    yeah i get that he is talking about the repeated themes about revenge in sahkespeares work but i wanted to understand was what is he trying to say with that metaphor ?

    okay he talking about revenge but how does it connect to what he is trying to say

  • thevoyce

    I feel that. To me, MIKE is only 21 and has not only created a movement, but also has influenced his idols and peers. I listen to him and the sLUms more than anyone besides Mach & Roc.

    His favorite artist did rip him off for his big comeback album. Guy’s definitely doing something right.

  • Jul 22, 2020
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    sabbatical_

    yeah i get that he is talking about the repeated themes about revenge in sahkespeares work but i wanted to understand was what is he trying to say with that metaphor ?

    okay he talking about revenge but how does it connect to what he is trying to say

    Well the line before is: Jay said 'I'm about the dollar, what the f***s this 50 cent s***?'

    Which is referencing a jab 50 made at Jay in a track and Jay responded with that line in a later song.

    Essentially saying 50 aint nothing compared to him. And therein is the Shakespearean vengeance, settled through rap

  • Jul 22, 2020
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    DwindlingSun

    Well the line before is: Jay said 'I'm about the dollar, what the f***s this 50 cent s***?'

    Which is referencing a jab 50 made at Jay in a track and Jay responded with that line in a later song.

    Essentially saying 50 aint nothing compared to him. And therein is the Shakespearean vengeance, settled through rap

    Right. Plus the next line is, “Rest assured there’s curtains at the ending,” which continues the Shakespeare allusion. Seems like this is woods’ way of saying that life is a game and there are always characters/drama

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    Marcus is Dust

    Right. Plus the next line is, “Rest assured there’s curtains at the ending,” which continues the Shakespeare allusion. Seems like this is woods’ way of saying that life is a game and there are always characters/drama

    “All the world’s a stage / And all the men and women merely players”

  • Jul 22, 2020
    phil trout

    “All the world’s a stage / And all the men and women merely players”

    Exactly

  • Jul 22, 2020
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    clashmusic.com/features/an-original-strain-armand-hammer-interviewed
    “I try to give people a break. Some people don’t know a lot of words and they’re not that smart. That’s also okay. It’s just disappointing sometimes when they have really good jobs. ” - Billy Woods
    lmao

  • Jul 22, 2020
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    FRITZD

    https://www.clashmusic.com/features/an-original-strain-armand-hammer-interviewed
    “I try to give people a break. Some people don’t know a lot of words and they’re not that smart. That’s also okay. It’s just disappointing sometimes when they have really good jobs. ” - Billy Woods
    lmao

    Very fair considering how many reviewers and interviewers instantly leap to those terms when labelling their music.

    Not the only artists it happens to and its extremely lazy and regurgitated journalism.

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    Jul 22, 2020
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    DwindlingSun

    Very fair considering how many reviewers and interviewers instantly leap to those terms when labelling their music.

    Not the only artists it happens to and its extremely lazy and regurgitated journalism.

    Precisely why I dipped out of J school. Musicians despise journalists and started to feel that too

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    phil trout

    Precisely why I dipped out of J school. Musicians despise journalists and started to feel that too

    I mean the guy who wrote that article is a journalist too though. I think most artists are always going to have a problem with opinion-based journalism like critics. but if your journalism is just reporting on observations or facts I doubt it’s that controversial.
    I could be wrong though, I don’t know much about journalism, the hip hop industry or the art world

  • Jul 22, 2020
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    cotton dockers

    billy is officially up there with Mach and Ka for me now. Is anyone else really writing like these three?

    I determined it to be the ultimate top 3 writers in hip-hop as of now and the answer is no, nobody. maybe 00s Aesop Rock but even then idk

  • Jul 22, 2020
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    WRU

    I determined it to be the ultimate top 3 writers in hip-hop as of now and the answer is no, nobody. maybe 00s Aesop Rock but even then idk

    billy does remind of Aesop sometimes, with all of the descriptive lines that sound like they could have come from a novel.

  • Jul 22, 2020
    cotton dockers

    billy does remind of Aesop sometimes, with all of the descriptive lines that sound like they could have come from a novel.

    to me its rooooughly like this

    S+ tier:
    mach, KA, woods

    S tier:
    lupe, aes, hov

    A+ tier:
    kendrick, roc, earl, elucid

    its kind of a strange rating bc basically I rate it both based on the entire discography and where their pens stand right now, which is why I didn't include folks like El-P, DOOM, Del, Ghost, Busdriver, Posdnuos and them. to me it just makes sense iunno

    I could see medhane, Quelle Chris, YOD, Danny Brown, wiki and MIKE reaching for those tiers at some point, rn id say they're somewhere around A/A+ category

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    aesop rock is better than billy woods
    DOOM is better than billy woods
    billy nice tho

  • Jul 22, 2020
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    freewave

    aesop rock is better than billy woods
    DOOM is better than billy woods
    billy nice tho

    At what?

  • Jul 22, 2020
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    Question that probably popped many times in 315 pages but where do you read the lyrics of this guy? I can't valutate him very well. He is flowing good but I don't understand if he is saying some weird paranormal genius s*** or just corny lines if I don't got lyrics in front of me

  • Jul 22, 2020
    Smuchith

    Question that probably popped many times in 315 pages but where do you read the lyrics of this guy? I can't valutate him very well. He is flowing good but I don't understand if he is saying some weird paranormal genius s*** or just corny lines if I don't got lyrics in front of me

    The whole making genius removing his bars is boring

  • Jul 22, 2020
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    Marcus is Dust

    At what?

    rapping

  • Jul 22, 2020
    Smuchith

    Question that probably popped many times in 315 pages but where do you read the lyrics of this guy? I can't valutate him very well. He is flowing good but I don't understand if he is saying some weird paranormal genius s*** or just corny lines if I don't got lyrics in front of me

    you don’t honestly
    it’s impossible to get everything he’s saying because he uses words from multiple languages and mumbles sometimes, but when he talks straight, he talks straight. his earlier stuff like FYI and HBO are pretty easy to understand without reading, and he still makes songs with normal words here and there like Mozambique Drill.

  • Jul 22, 2020
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    freewave

    aesop rock is better than billy woods
    DOOM is better than billy woods
    billy nice tho

    Wrong decade

  • Jul 22, 2020
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    freewave

    aesop rock is better than billy woods
    DOOM is better than billy woods
    billy nice tho

    aesop is the 1.___ to billy woods 2.___:

    1. boots riley 2. spike lee
    1. sonny rollins 2. john coltrane
    1. jack kerouac 2. charles bukowski
    1. minor threat 2. bad brains
    1. jack kirby 2. bernie wrightson
    1. bernie sanders 2. che guevara
    1. nyjah huston 2. mark gonzales
    1. early career tom waits 2. late career tom waits

    they do technically similar things, but one of them has a stronger catalogue, a more intriguing approach/perspective, and infinitely better taste.

  • Jul 22, 2020
    freewave

    rapping

    Uh yeah that may be. I personally can’t stand Aesop, but DOOM might just be the objectively best rapper as far as technique.. still, woods makes the best, most interesting music of the three by far imo.

  • ummmactually

    aesop is the 1.___ to billy woods 2.___:

    1. boots riley 2. spike lee
    1. sonny rollins 2. john coltrane
    1. jack kerouac 2. charles bukowski
    1. minor threat 2. bad brains
    1. jack kirby 2. bernie wrightson
    1. bernie sanders 2. che guevara
    1. nyjah huston 2. mark gonzales
    1. early career tom waits 2. late career tom waits

    they do technically similar things, but one of them has a stronger catalogue, a more intriguing approach/perspective, and infinitely better taste.

    Nyjah to Mark Gonzales that’s perfect lol

  • Jul 22, 2020
    DwindlingSun

    Wrong decade

    fair enough