we'll shun away some of the greatest artists ever because they're s*** people or troubled (kanye, john lennon, MJ etc)

but consume hollywood movies and shows made by studios responsible for generational trauma and exploitation

make. it. make. sense.

Man every one remembers biggie was fat and that Elvis died on the s***ter some s*** can’t be forgotten or washed away with history

I think with R. Kelly, its more so that his music subject matter aligned so closely with the evil s*** he was doing outside of the music. Where it almost had an autobiographical aspect to it.

Thats why there's a stigma around listening to his music. Alot of people think MJ is a pedo despite the lack of evidence but the same stigma isn't there because his subject matter in his music was completely separate from his personal life. You aren't thinking about MJ with little boys listening to Thriller or Billie Jean. But R. Kelly with Bump and Grind? Well...

I see you getting in spirit @earlymann

Gonna be a fun one

elvis was the second biggest artist of all time prior to his death why would that be forgotten lmao

Movie make dopamine go wooooiee mama marvel make me not think 😤

F*** you actually just ruined bump and grind for me, my brain purposely ain’t put two and two together there. But yeah it’s just weird no one is perfect these artists sure ain’t. I just find who we chose to collectively shun or collectively give the pass to interesting

no outrage to pull off weinstein projects and works, mel gibson got work and a standing ovation when he returned to the industry... polanski movies get praised and still put in algorithms

double standard is MIND BLOWING and it only exists because music is viewed as the lowest art form.. a commodity for day to day pleasure but nothing more

It supposed to be a joke. Man’s had weeks of s*** in his intestines

My apologizes I'm just spitballing in this conversation. Because its a great conversation that not alot of people can have due to a lack of maturity.

hard to listen to any R. Kelly song, especially knowing most of them were about Aaliyah.

MJ got his simpsons episode removed and banned, one of the best episodes of the show because of false allegations
nothing on weinstein though a literal s***monster

The entirety of Woody Allen’s story is nasty nasty work. He still gets praised and worked with to this day. The double standard is there but tbf hollywood had a whole system of cracking down on information getting out. Some of these were simply known rumor type secrets that were eventually confirmed true.

Outrage is fake anyway tho. We all care for a week then go back to our daily program lust

Nasty work the media has done over the years to vilify Michael as much as possible.

And they've done some damage too. But at the end of the day, hes just too iconic and the majority of people are able to overlook the allegations because the music is just that amazing. Imagine not listening to Rock With You because some weirdos wrote and spoke a*** fanfiction on HBO? Almost nobody is doing that fr even if they aren't in favor of MJ.

You think I’m mature?
But nah fr this was a good convo manageable bc it’s only me you camille and occasionally earlyman

Them taking the R Kelly song off that Gaga album was stupid tho. Everyone already knew who R Kelly was for years that retroactive activism is just lame

Woody Allen isnt even the worst one. That prize wold go to Roman Polanski. Who would be in jail for life if he didnt flee the country, yet still had people regularly working with him and giving him praise as if nothing happened up until recently.

Literally seems like you’re ready and age ain’t nothing but a number are really tough listens even tho they’re good songs

still gets praised tbh literally watched a roundtable the other night from 2019 and one of the girls on there was praising his work on the pianist