Aug 16, 2021
Womanpuncher69the 80s foreign policy with China, USSR, and USA is a mess lmao
Sino-Soviet split
USSR downfall
US funding terrorists to speed up that downfall
Yeah it was bad
- Aug 16, 2021·1 reply
Mesaih
you think we shouldn't have pulled outI might not know everything tho so if I'm wrong I'd like to know lol
If that's all you got from that speech idk what to tell u b
- Aug 16, 2021
ARCADE GOONThey wouldn't have won without the world's foremost superpower sending them weapons and know-how
Yes they would have. It's not hard winning a war when your drive and passion is real
- Aug 16, 2021Scratchin Mamba
If that's all you got from that speech idk what to tell u b
I didn't watch the speech
I thot we talking bout afghanistan
What he say I don't got time for that s***
Aug 16, 2021Solid podcast with Anatol Lieven and Gary Brecher talking about the withdrawal and history/state of Afghanistan.
Nessy 🦎Aug 16, 2021·1 replyARCADE GOONNah you are probably thinking of Syria.
Afghanistan war started with USA and China (which was anti-USSR at the time) giving money to the fundamentalists there in the late 70s
The Afghan government at the time was pro-USSR
Once the fundamentalist situation got out of control they invited the USSR's military to take care of it
The USSR had other problems and retreated in the late 80s
The government existed for another 3 years and collapsed
Then you had a massive civil war between dozens of factions until the Taliban won
The Taliban ruled for 4 years and then the USA had to do something after 9/11
They also wanted a "unsinkable aircraft carrier" bordering Iran
They won the initial invasion but couldn't nation-build for 20 years
The Taliban already had a lot of power but just cemented it definitely now and took over the country without facing any serious opposition whatsoever
Pakistan and the Taliban work together somewhat, China is pragmatic about the Taliban right now, Russia is scared of dealing with Afghanistan again, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan are holding back (Afghanistan has a big Uzbek and Tajik population) for now, India supports the (former) Afghan government and so does NATO under the leadership of the USA
Saudi-Arabia doesn't have so much to do with the situation.
yea ik what led to this but americans overstaying had to benefit at least one of their local allies tho?
- Aug 16, 2021·1 replyScratchin Mamba
I never said there would be "nothing going on", but there definitely wouldn't be no f***ing Taliban in power you idiot
Claiming that the US provoking the USSR to enter Afghanistan and funding the Mujahideen to overthrow the Republic of Afghanistan didn't drastically change that country's history, that's insanity
I never said it didnt change history. Russia was already involved in Afghanistan before 79.
Afghanistan didnt become communist randomly. Soviets were already involved. Like I said, it didnt start with reagan and blaming one action 40 years ago for everything happening now is dumb like s*** couldnt have been stopped at some point after 79 to prevent this moment
- Aug 16, 2021·1 replySaint Aquinas
I never said it didnt change history. Russia was already involved in Afghanistan before 79.
Afghanistan didnt become communist randomly. Soviets were already involved. Like I said, it didnt start with reagan and blaming one action 40 years ago for everything happening now is dumb like s*** couldnt have been stopped at some point after 79 to prevent this moment
I'm not talking about Soviet's being involved dumbass I'm talking about the Soviets entering the war that happened in 79, and the US funded the Mujahideen knowing that it would compel the USSR to enter that war.
Aug 16, 2021·editedARCADE GOONNah you are probably thinking of Syria.
Afghanistan war started with USA and China (which was anti-USSR at the time) giving money to the fundamentalists there in the late 70s
The Afghan government at the time was pro-USSR
Once the fundamentalist situation got out of control they invited the USSR's military to take care of it
The USSR had other problems and retreated in the late 80s
The government existed for another 3 years and collapsed
Then you had a massive civil war between dozens of factions until the Taliban won
The Taliban ruled for 4 years and then the USA had to do something after 9/11
They also wanted a "unsinkable aircraft carrier" bordering Iran
They won the initial invasion but couldn't nation-build for 20 years
The Taliban already had a lot of power but just cemented it definitely now and took over the country without facing any serious opposition whatsoever
Pakistan and the Taliban work together somewhat, China is pragmatic about the Taliban right now, Russia is scared of dealing with Afghanistan again, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan are holding back (Afghanistan has a big Uzbek and Tajik population) for now, India supports the (former) Afghan government and so does NATO under the leadership of the USA
Saudi-Arabia doesn't have so much to do with the situation.
500k+ afghan civilians killed during the USSR-Muhajdeen conflict
the soviet union's invasion did play into afghanistan's downfall by creating the conditions necessary for groups to rise up against them
also not all of the muhajdeen was taliban/al-qaeda, the taliban came after the DPR government in '94 which was another faction of Muhajdeen that got ousted from power.
i hate MLs trying to do revisionist history and absolve the soviets from their imperialist failures
cold war-era imperialism broke the middle east from both sides
- Aug 16, 2021·1 replyScratchin Mamba
I'm not talking about Soviet's being involved dumbass I'm talking about the Soviets entering the war that happened in 79, and the US funded the Mujahideen knowing that it would compel the USSR to enter that war.
I know what you are talking about. You are selectively passing blame at a point where you can criticize the u.s. and pass no blame on the Soviets because you are a communist and dont think the Soviets had nothing to do with it
- Aug 16, 2021·1 reply
Like blatantly ignoring why the mujahadeen would even want funds and be radicalized in the first f***ing place says it all. They werent ok with the soviet backed government
Aug 16, 2021i think biden admin’s decision to pull out will age well, all of the “better exit strategies” I’ve seen involved sending in thousands of more troops. this was gonna end like this no matter what
Aug 16, 2021·8 repliesdo you think this will cost biden the 2024 election
- Gojira 🦖Aug 16, 2021demo
do you think this will cost biden the 2024 election
No lol
- Gojira 🦖Aug 16, 2021
The best decision is to let the country figure out.
Biden is doing the right thing by staying with the decision of pulling out, but unfortunately that decision was made way too late.
- Aug 16, 2021·1 replySaint Aquinas
Like blatantly ignoring why the mujahadeen would even want funds and be radicalized in the first f***ing place says it all. They werent ok with the soviet backed government
from what i can tell, it was the occupation that people didn't like
the government was doing well, for the most part
their fate was sealed like america once they invaded the country and committed horrific violence against non-combatant civilians and both sides leveraged it into a proxy war
theres even been UN reports of soviet soldiers dropping bombs that looked like toys on insurgent areas so kids would pick them up
- Aug 16, 2021demo
do you think this will cost biden the 2024 election
pulling out of middle east is supported by a majority of people in both political parties lol, trump campaigned on it, did nothing for 4 years, then biden did it less than a year in (using term middle east super broadly btw as it colloquially is used)
Aug 16, 2021·edited·1 replydemodo you think this will cost biden the 2024 election
Americans don't really care about Afghanistan tbh. Unless there's another major (foreign) terrorist attack on US soil, this will be forgotten by 2024
- Aug 16, 2021·1 replyRockstard· edited
Americans don't really care about Afghanistan tbh. Unless there's another major (foreign) terrorist attack on US soil, this will be forgotten by 2024
will be forgotten in 2 months just like how Palestine was #1 trending 2 months ago and those same people are silent now
- Aug 16, 2021·1 replyyeezy
will be forgotten in 2 months just like how Palestine was #1 trending 2 months ago and those same people are silent now
Ehhh, I doubt that lol
- Aug 16, 2021·1 replysniper
from what i can tell, it was the occupation that people didn't like
the government was doing well, for the most part
their fate was sealed like america once they invaded the country and committed horrific violence against non-combatant civilians and both sides leveraged it into a proxy war
theres even been UN reports of soviet soldiers dropping bombs that looked like toys on insurgent areas so kids would pick them up
You mean common afghanis?
- Aug 16, 2021·1 replySaint Aquinas
You mean common afghanis?
yes
- Aug 16, 2021·1 replyg6ntiana
Ehhh, I doubt that lol
the public really only cares about stuff happening domestically, i guarantee jan 6th is a bigger issue in the midterms than anything relating to foreign policy
- Aug 16, 2021·1 replyyeezy
the public really only cares about stuff happening domestically, i guarantee jan 6th is a bigger issue in the midterms than anything relating to foreign policy
Just because something isn't trending anymore doesn't mean it's automatically forgotten. People still talking about Israel and Palestine. Same way people will talk about Afghanistan, maybe even more.
This comparison is dumb and you know it.