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  • Jun 14, 2020
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    Mel

    He only mentioned two unarmed people who were killed, Floyd and Garner. Garner because of the parallels to Floyd who is the main subject of the special.

    It's about telling a narrative and story for him. The gender factor wasn't directly relevant to the message of what he was trying to say, hence omission. There was no agenda here about men, women, or whatever.

    He didn't just mention two Black men why are you lying?

  • Jun 14, 2020
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    OUT OF ORDER

    If Chapelle wanted to address the plight of a black man getting killed by a policeman who kneeled on his neck for almost 9 minutes, then that’s what he’ll do.

    Seems like you want to gloss over that fact and make it about yourself and your own personal interests

    At 2min55 seconds he talks mentions a 7 year old black girl to convey a message (dave chapelle has a past of using nexs stories to say something broader

    Here he is with maya Angelou

    • I don't remember the clip but he has talked about how his mother (a black women) worked during the Civil's right rights era in the democratic Republic of Congo for Patrice lumumba (the then prime Minister and leader of the independence movement + the yellow shirt in the first clip says "Zaire" which was the old name of the dem. Rep. Congo (named by the revolutionist party).
      I caught on early on that Dave Chapelle was cut from a different cloth, and this special was in that same vein, he formed interesting poetic links between the deaths of these black men, and numbers (8:46, his birth hour, his birthday and kobe Bryant deaths)

    He went from george floyd's i can't breathe to Eric's garner's situation

    He spoke about a black man that fot killed in his city by a cop that let him go the night before...

    he talked about how another black
    man, mike brown, became the bigger story that same week.

    he touched on philando castle, who got murdered in front of his kids and how trayvon Martin's face reminds him of his own son.

    Lastly he reminded us that slavery isn't that far behind us by sharing an anecdote of his father on his deathbed calling for his grandmother (who was a slave)
    All of this is of the top of my head as I watched the short special yesterday so sorry if i missed something but i believe that we witnessed Dave Chapelle, a comedian, a black man', that is affected by racism as his family tree contains slaves and those who fought for black rights (his great grandfather who was welcomed in the white house under president Wilson to his mother who aided patrice lumumba), trying to make sense of what is happening today. I don't think that this should be watched as an listing of victims in which he left out black women because he supposedly (like "the majority of black men") "" doesn't care "" about black women (trans or not) who were victims. nobody's perfect, neither was this special, it was unrefined, raw thoughts conveying a message HOW ARE WE STILL HERE AFTER ALL THIS HISTORY 😣🙏🏾

  • Jun 14, 2020
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    DonutHole
    !https://youtu.be/75XKGVwGEt4

    At 2min55 seconds he talks mentions a 7 year old black girl to convey a message (dave chapelle has a past of using nexs stories to say something broader

    !https://youtu.be/okc6COsgzoE

    Here he is with maya Angelou

    • I don't remember the clip but he has talked about how his mother (a black women) worked during the Civil's right rights era in the democratic Republic of Congo for Patrice lumumba (the then prime Minister and leader of the independence movement + the yellow shirt in the first clip says "Zaire" which was the old name of the dem. Rep. Congo (named by the revolutionist party).
      I caught on early on that Dave Chapelle was cut from a different cloth, and this special was in that same vein, he formed interesting poetic links between the deaths of these black men, and numbers (8:46, his birth hour, his birthday and kobe Bryant deaths)

    He went from george floyd's i can't breathe to Eric's garner's situation

    He spoke about a black man that fot killed in his city by a cop that let him go the night before...

    he talked about how another black
    man, mike brown, became the bigger story that same week.

    he touched on philando castle, who got murdered in front of his kids and how trayvon Martin's face reminds him of his own son.

    Lastly he reminded us that slavery isn't that far behind us by sharing an anecdote of his father on his deathbed calling for his grandmother (who was a slave)
    All of this is of the top of my head as I watched the short special yesterday so sorry if i missed something but i believe that we witnessed Dave Chapelle, a comedian, a black man', that is affected by racism as his family tree contains slaves and those who fought for black rights (his great grandfather who was welcomed in the white house under president Wilson to his mother who aided patrice lumumba), trying to make sense of what is happening today. I don't think that this should be watched as an listing of victims in which he left out black women because he supposedly (like "the majority of black men") "" doesn't care "" about black women (trans or not) who were victims. nobody's perfect, neither was this special, it was unrefined, raw thoughts conveying a message HOW ARE WE STILL HERE AFTER ALL THIS HISTORY 😣🙏🏾

    Beautiful post bro.

    Never seen that video with maya angelou I’m gonna peep that rn

  • Jun 14, 2020
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    Beck

    He didn't just mention two Black men why are you lying?

    You're right he mentioned Martin/Brown but I revert focus to Floyd/Garner because he showed the actual video of Garner. (I admittedly forgot he mentioned brown/martin because he didn't focus as much time on them)

    Anyway regardless, it's not a point of what he was trying to say or beneficial to go name every victim.

    He's trying to tell a story here that describes how you feel. Weaponizing an omission of a victim to criticize someone whose voice is advocating and supporting black men and women is so gross honestly

  • Jun 14, 2020
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    Mel

    You're right he mentioned Martin/Brown but I revert focus to Floyd/Garner because he showed the actual video of Garner. (I admittedly forgot he mentioned brown/martin because he didn't focus as much time on them)

    Anyway regardless, it's not a point of what he was trying to say or beneficial to go name every victim.

    He's trying to tell a story here that describes how you feel. Weaponizing an omission of a victim to criticize someone whose voice is advocating and supporting black men and women is so gross honestly

    Again, nobody said he was supposed to name every victim, but if you are naming victims of police brutality and name other individuals of high profile cases and never mention women then it is clear that Black women once again are left out in visibility.

    You aren't supporting Black women if you don't amplify their voices and struggles, that is not gross it is reality.

  • Jun 14, 2020
    OUT OF ORDER

    Beautiful post bro.

    Never seen that video with maya angelou I’m gonna peep that rn

    Thanks

  • Jun 14, 2020

    His "raw thoughts" included no Black women.

    Cuz he didn't think of Black women lmao.

  • Jun 14, 2020
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    Beck

    Again, nobody said he was supposed to name every victim, but if you are naming victims of police brutality and name other individuals of high profile cases and never mention women then it is clear that Black women once again are left out in visibility.

    You aren't supporting Black women if you don't amplify their voices and struggles, that is not gross it is reality.

    Dave chapelle Is one man one brain, he's not the collective of human beings speaking out for the black lives matters movement

  • Jun 14, 2020
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    DonutHole

    Dave chapelle Is one man one brain, he's not the collective of human beings speaking out for the black lives matters movement

    Okay and I'm speakin on this one man with one brain, so what is the problem?

    I am being critical of what is there and he has a platform and created content about it, where people are going to look at it and take notice of it.

  • Jun 14, 2020
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    Beck

    Okay and I'm speakin on this one man with one brain, so what is the problem?

    I am being critical of what is there and he has a platform and created content about it, where people are going to look at it and take notice of it.

    Speak on nas who mentioned sandra bland , Eric garner and Tamir rice's mom on this song 4 years ago

  • Jun 14, 2020
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    DonutHole

    Speak on nas who mentioned sandra bland , Eric garner and Tamir rice's mom on this song 4 years ago

    !https://youtu.be/slN1CEUhA-E

    Again, I am speaking on this one man who created content and about the content he created in this time period, why are you trying to make me discuss someone else?

  • Jun 14, 2020
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    Beck

    Again, nobody said he was supposed to name every victim, but if you are naming victims of police brutality and name other individuals of high profile cases and never mention women then it is clear that Black women once again are left out in visibility.

    You aren't supporting Black women if you don't amplify their voices and struggles, that is not gross it is reality.

    Man no because gender isn't the point because the struggle/pain is shared by all black people.

    It's his job up there to tell a story and use his experiences as devices to describe how he feels. Whatever experiences he chooses to focus on are his discretion. He's not hurting black women here.

    Why he chose the examples he did, who knows. Nor does it even matter.

    It's his story not anyone else. It's not a comprehensive oral presentation of the problem, only a guy standing up through going through the thoughts of his own head.

  • Jun 14, 2020
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    Mel

    Man no because gender isn't the point because the struggle/pain is shared by all black people.

    It's his job up there to tell a story and use his experiences as devices to describe how he feels. Whatever experiences he chooses to focus on are his discretion. He's not hurting black women here.

    Why he chose the examples he did, who knows. Nor does it even matter.

    It's his story not anyone else. It's not a comprehensive oral presentation of the problem, only a guy standing up through going through the thoughts of his own head.

    Gender matters, because Black women are not as uplifted in these discussions. It's about Black People but Black women are often taking a backseat.

    If you believe it is about all our struggles then amplify all our voices. That is the whole problem.

    You are basically just saying he has a focus on manhood and men but I'm wrong for saying so as well, how does that work?

    Those mens stories aren't his story but he amplified them, Black women are part of his life but those voices weren't included.

  • Jun 14, 2020
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    Beck

    Again, I am speaking on this one man who created content and about the content he created in this time period, why are you trying to make me discuss someone else?

    Well since dave chapelle not mentioning black victims who happen to be women is a source of concern for you i'm redirecting your focus on instances where what you're critiquing is not happening
    Another example tef poe, a rapper, song name : say her name

  • Jun 14, 2020
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    DonutHole

    Well since dave chapelle not mentioning black victims who happen to be women is a source of concern for you i'm redirecting your focus on instances where what you're critiquing is not happening
    Another example tef poe, a rapper, song name : say her name

    !https://youtu.be/bt5xLgodcWQ

    So you are keen on derailing this thread because somehow its is a problem for me to be critical of a special in the correct thread for it? This is an effort to grasp for straws.

  • Jun 14, 2020
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    Alleged abuser of black women*
    you're missing the point, i believe yoi argued that there is a problem of black men not including black women in times like these (I believe transwomen are more excluded) yet there are several examples of black men supporting black women whether they have big platforms (legendary rappers, other artists) or not (black men at rallys specifically for black women are victims, men on social media etc)

  • Jun 14, 2020
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    What Chapelle said in this special: “Fuck the police, it’s f***ed up how they treat black people and help enforce the systematic racism that plagues the country to this day. Something needs to change

    What lipstick alley users think he said: “Fuck all black women, I’m gonna purposely leave out their names so they realize how much I don’t care about them. Really hope they keep getting killed by police

  • Jun 14, 2020
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    DonutHole

    Alleged abuser of black women*
    you're missing the point, i believe yoi argued that there is a problem of black men not including black women in times like these (I believe transwomen are more excluded) yet there are several examples of black men supporting black women whether they have big platforms (legendary rappers, other artists) or not (black men at rallys specifically for black women are victims, men on social media etc)

    You are quoting me with that when I'm here talking about Dave, and so has that user been here, talking about Dave.

    Dave has a big platform, and that's why we are talking about what he created.

  • Jun 14, 2020
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    Beck

    So you are keen on derailing this thread because somehow its is a problem for me to be critical of a special in the correct thread for it? This is an effort to grasp for straws.

    I think you're missing the point but 👌🏾

  • Jun 14, 2020
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    Its really telling that a lot of people in this thread would rather defend and argue about Dave Chappele then acknowledge how damaging the lack of representation and voice for black women is in this fight for racial equality and how this special contributes to that damage.

  • Jun 14, 2020
    OUT OF ORDER

    What Chapelle said in this special: “Fuck the police, it’s f***ed up how they treat black people and help enforce the systematic racism that plagues the country to this day. Something needs to change

    What lipstick alley users think he said: “Fuck all black women, I’m gonna purposely leave out their names so they realize how much I don’t care about them. Really hope they keep getting killed by police

    You ignoring my post but have time to subpost me and on top of that make lies about what I believe and what I spoke on.

    But y'all care about discussing Black lives right?

  • Jun 14, 2020
    DonutHole

    I think you're missing the point but 👌🏾

    I didn't miss anything, if anything y'all are trying to expand the point and dodge.

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    Beck

    Gender matters, because Black women are not as uplifted in these discussions. It's about Black People but Black women are often taking a backseat.

    If you believe it is about all our struggles then amplify all our voices. That is the whole problem.

    You are basically just saying he has a focus on manhood and men but I'm wrong for saying so as well, how does that work?

    Those mens stories aren't his story but he amplified them, Black women are part of his life but those voices weren't included.

    This is a dialogue of what is on his mind, what don't you understand about that?

    It's a dialogue between him and the audience and the stage is the medium.

    It's not the following things or responsibility of him to do the following things

    • A platform to advocate or for him to be an advocate

    • Critical a***ysis/oral presentation of the topic

    No, it's a comedian using his time to have a conversation about what is troubling him/what he feels about it.

    He's talking on a human level here, if he had this conservation with you face to face would you be critical that he didn't mention women?

    No. You'd just go " Hey yeah but I also want to say ...." Because yea it's convo that's 1:1 open to response.

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