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    oh yeah this is def a flop, don't get me wrong, one of the biggest flops of the year from a big artist

    but it's more so a flop because of how badly she did in streaming compared to her previous album more so than it is because of a fall in pure sales from the bundle rules

    That kind of rules her out as a super star though if she needs bundles and all that extra stuff just to put up decent numbers

    I can’t help but feel like pop music is all but smoke + mirrors & it feels like labels are pulling strings to make pop acts seem bigger than they actually are

    Streaming has exposed a lot of acts being nothing but teen sensations with label backing + funding

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    That kind of rules her out as a super star though if she needs bundles and all that extra stuff just to put up decent numbers

    I can’t help but feel like pop music is all but smoke + mirrors & it feels like labels are pulling strings to make pop acts seem bigger than they actually are

    Streaming has exposed a lot of acts being nothing but teen sensations with label backing + funding

    I think it might have a lot to do with the fact that music is no longer really a monoculture as streaming has risen and radio has fallen, "the summer smash" kinda feels like a thing of the past, there's no one big superstar anymore, people are able to fall into their niches without having an artist forced onto them (play-listing exists of course though). That's why I find it hard to see charts as an objective metric of one's current popularity.

    but again, Ari still has the highest first week in streaming for thank u next which was just last year, so her fame isn't really an "illusion" this album itself was just a massive flop. Regardless pure sales (such as bundles) imo show more so that an artist has a strong core fanbase than it does show how popular an artist is among the GP, streaming shows that much more so, of which Ari did really poorly this time and pure sales have never been her strong suite regardless.

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    I think it might have a lot to do with the fact that music is no longer really a monoculture as streaming has risen and radio has fallen, "the summer smash" kinda feels like a thing of the past, there's no one big superstar anymore, people are able to fall into their niches without having an artist forced onto them (play-listing exists of course though). That's why I find it hard to see charts as an objective metric of one's current popularity.

    but again, Ari still has the highest first week in streaming for thank u next which was just last year, so her fame isn't really an "illusion" this album itself was just a massive flop. Regardless pure sales (such as bundles) imo show more so that an artist has a strong core fanbase than it does show how popular an artist is among the GP, streaming shows that much more so, of which Ari did really poorly this time and pure sales have never been her strong suite regardless.

    I lowkey feel as if it has more to do with the rise of streaming

    Mainstream music is no longer dictated by just radio play & pure sales anymore, hip hop was the most pirated genre during the mids 2000s and now

    Ironically that’s when all the pop records & artists were dominating because they had the radio play & pure sales to propel their albums all over the charts

    If you think about it fans of pop music always bought singles, albums etc & now they’re transitioning to streaming which is hurting artists that originally depended on crazy teenage girls that use their parents money to buy every radio single

    I think this is going to happen to every major pop artist unless they start putting out some high quality music

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    Hey guys! over the course of the past couple weeks I created this really cool website that actually tracks total streams and streaming revenue of albums during the first week. Will be announcing more publicly later today. Here's the website if you want to take a first look: www.musicplaceexchange.com

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    Thread ain’t as active as it used to be

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    Hey guys! over the course of the past couple weeks I created this really cool website that actually tracks total streams and streaming revenue of albums during the first week. Will be announcing more publicly later today. Here's the website if you want to take a first look: www.musicplaceexchange.com

    this sounds dope

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    Thread ain’t as active as it used to be

    Vietbrah thread was lit

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    Hey guys! over the course of the past couple weeks I created this really cool website that actually tracks total streams and streaming revenue of albums during the first week. Will be announcing more publicly later today. Here's the website if you want to take a first look: www.musicplaceexchange.com

    Fireee

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    glad you guys like it. Gonna be updating new projections every week. If you want me to do a certain album just let me know.

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    glad you guys like it. Gonna be updating new projections every week. If you want me to do a certain album just let me know.

    What are you using for the data source?

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    What are you using for the data source?

    proprietary algorithm and web scraper / 3rd party data. cant divulge all data sources sorry

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    this lil nas song had a monday night football commercial, nonstop youtube ads all week and a big budget video and these are the results...

    AM

    NEW 834. Lil Nas X - HOLIDAY

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    this lil nas song had a monday night football commercial, nonstop youtube ads all week and a big budget video and these are the results...

    AM

    NEW 834. Lil Nas X - HOLIDAY

    Needs more playlisting support

    He’s been gone long enough that they actually just need to payola the f*** out of the first couple weeks push the airplay and drop a remix

    Throw out all the stops first single but do not let it flop

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    Streams going back up

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    this lil nas song had a monday night football commercial, nonstop youtube ads all week and a big budget video and these are the results...

    AM

    NEW 834. Lil Nas X - HOLIDAY

    Idk about AM but it's not in any major Spotify playlists atm besides top hits

    #4 trending on YT now

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    Streams going back up

    https://twitter.com/chartdata/status/1327401976108359681

    do we know the pure breakdown for that? they pushing it hard as f*** on tiktok

    also pop smoke is still doing absurd numbers

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    Idk about AM but it's not in any major Spotify playlists atm besides top hits

    #4 trending on YT now

    maybe theyre aiming to playlist harder down the road so it doesnt debut high and drop

    gives a buffer for airplay to pick up

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    maybe theyre aiming to playlist harder down the road so it doesnt debut high and drop

    gives a buffer for airplay to pick up

    I can see that esp since the album isn't dropping till next year

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    I can see that esp since the album isn't dropping till next year

    YouTube streams aren't gonna get it very far though w the rules about having to be domestic only and logged in plus the 375 for 1 sale

    im sure the label will put a buck into it though they basically wrote a blank check for that video

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    YouTube streams aren't gonna get it very far though w the rules about having to be domestic only and logged in plus the 375 for 1 sale

    im sure the label will put a buck into it though they basically wrote a blank check for that video

    Unless the Roblox concert today gets it going viral on streaming he might be joining K-nye on the bubbling under this week

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    Worldwide smash

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    Idk about AM but it's not in any major Spotify playlists atm besides top hits

    #4 trending on YT now

    the label spent all that money on promo but couldn't get him any playlisting? im still rooting for him but this release was definitely botched

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    didn't expect this at all wtf, this will be close to going top 20, no bundles!

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    10.6 million streams first day on spotify for future and uzi

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    this lil nas song had a monday night football commercial, nonstop youtube ads all week and a big budget video and these are the results...

    AM

    NEW 834. Lil Nas X - HOLIDAY

    I cant remember what it sounds like one day after it dropped