WRU

1mo

bro came into an mj flick expecting a documentary recreation of life events and not songs and dances

like do you honestly think everyones stupid and clueless out here director included?

KingOfPop

1mo

"I've already told you there are a number of aspects to his life I disagree with, and of course this is one of them."

Now go be dense elsewhere.

KingOfPop

1mo

I think there's a lot of conjecture here and I'm not sure if you've upset yourself watching a Fantano video or if you're just upset the biopic is doing well.

Fantano + others, (presumably including yourself based on this post) seem to have an opinion that Michael Jackson fans will blindly agree with his behaviours across every aspect of his life.

That's not really the truth, and I know, being part of this world for 28+ years. Agreeing and accepting/understanding are two very different things.

I'll be honest. There is no agreeing with certain aspects of his life. When you apply common societal norms you will find that Michael was very different in a number of ways (not just in this area).

But you are also not understanding the why this was. Michael Jackson didn't have any societal norm in his life. When you compare him to the man down the street, was the man down the street violently abused and exploited from a young age, before becoming the most famous person on the planet by their early 20s?

Look at Rose Fine, look at what life was like growing up as a Jackson 5 member for him. You start to understand the experiences that shape the viewpoint of life as a whole.

Neverland was a safe haven for all. For all the children this, children that and "creep" behaviour did you know Neverland frequently hosted days for all age ranges (including specific Senior days). Did you know Neverland was open on these days whether Michael was there or not? There are hundreds and thousands of people who visited Neverland, shared their stories of it, and Michael wasn't even there. Neverland was a slice of life he could not enjoy or experience outside of those gates. No one else could understand what that would mean. Look at the videos of MJ being hired out a retail store with friends in disguises so he could see what grocery shopping was like. Think about how impossibly sad that situation is.

Most of Michael Jackson's behaviours and thoughts would probably have suited being unpicked with a very experienced therapist from a young age. But when you are exploited to the level he was from the wide range of people he was (including medical professionals), these things aren't an option. HIPAA laws weren't a thing until 1996.

There is no agreeing with certain things. But there is an understanding. Applying context. And not just personal context. No personal experience will ever suit what Michael Jackson was in any aspect of his life. It's never happened before or again and never should. Because it's a very lonely tale of exploitation from the very beginning.

And there is certainly a difference between behaviours that do not fit societal norms, and criminal behaviours. And that is a whole separate discussion.

You are talking about things someone recently wrote about that I found quite interesting. Maybe you will too. Take a read:
https://medium.com/@​lowerbackpainproductions/why-i-still-support-michael-jackson-in-2026-a-look-at-what-the-evidence-actually-shows-f371b422bc88

shaleirose

1mo

Incredible post.

shaleirose

1mo

Incredible post.

TheGhost

1mo

the guy was abused by his dad, it still doesn't make me justify his weird s*** with kids. whether it was criminal or not is the main point of dispute, you may have strong points regarding that as he was never convicted and i agree with that, i'm not a one sided hater, i do love his music and he's iconic, i think he's undeniably the greatest performer of all time. but when people tell me he could never be a danger to kids ever when there's an actual widespread easily available video of him dangling his baby over a balcony. that's him putting a child in danger right there. so bundled in with the fact he slept in bed with children a lot, theme park for a house, all the candy in the world, of course it makes him SUS AS F***. why am i the wrong one for saying this?? i am a father. it's f***ed up s*** and there's no excusing it, should never have been allowed. you can explain why he's like that but it doesn't make it okay.

KingOfPop

1mo

You're "wrong" because most of your points so far come from tabloid slop.

It's also rather strange you're upset by, or not understanding, the very meaning of the word context.

Definition of "context" The situation within which something exists or happens, and that can help explain it

You can continue to choose to deny that, but it's not a denial rooted in any knowledge or understanding of the context being discussed.

KingOfPop

1mo

You're "wrong" because most of your points so far come from tabloid slop.

It's also rather strange you're upset by, or not understanding, the very meaning of the word context.

Definition of "context" The situation within which something exists or happens, and that can help explain it

You can continue to choose to deny that, but it's not a denial rooted in any knowledge or understanding of the context being discussed.

TheGhost

1mo

I UNDERSTAND why he did it. he was abused himself as a child. it DOES NOT make it OKAY with ANY CONTEXT you give. Understand??

KingOfPop

1mo

Right, so you disagree with an action despite not knowing, or being open to, any context behind that action.

Bravo.. I guess?

TheGhost

1mo

There is zero context that you could give that would convince me it's okay. If you do think it's okay with certain context, do you bro. Just a f***in weirdo at that point.

I don't even believe the Leaving Neverland s*** because a lot of it is proven lies. I'm solely going off facts with interviews with Michael I can pull up right now or footage with regards to the baby out the balcony. I'm not a senseless "hater" and I always take context into account, but when it comes to sleeping with 10 year olds I don't care if his daddy gave him the belt when he was young. Plenty men got the belt from their dad when they were little boys, a good ol ass whoopin. Most don't go on to sleep with little boys in their beds.

Some things you just don't do no matter what bro. You know this I don't know why you're arguing this. You agreed it was wrong. I never once accused Jackson of something he didn't already admit to himself.

Just on a side note, do you think nobody on his team told him "ayy Michael this is a terrible look maybe you shouldn't do this"?? You telling me his PR and his management never had this convo when this first occurred? I am sure many people told him at the time that it was wrong.

KingOfPop

1mo

I think you need to re-read my previous post.

KingOfPop

1mo

Adding another 100m to box office this weekend

mjpplus

1mo

Not losing its IMAX screens until next week is a good help too and it doesn't really have any direct market competition until Mandalorian really

It's going to cruise to at least 800M minimum imo

mov

1mo

Blud said "^^"

mov

1mo

Blud said "^^"

KingOfPop

1mo

"Real weirdo s*** going on" yet won't leave

TheGhost

1mo

your point of view is sleeping with kids has to be taken into context

you can say what you want. everyone knows who the f***in weirdo is, i can stand on what i said, you just look like a creep

KingOfPop

1mo

Nice. Gold star for you

Wait

Gold star for you ^^

KingOfPop

1mo

Think I've found a new fan ^^