Gameboi

1mo

This wasn't the greatest biopic movie in the world from a Storytelling or structural standpoint but goddammit as a lifelong MJ fan since I was basically in pampers this movie hit for me. I was on the verge of at points, Jaafar did his thing especially during human nature.

As a movie fan I give it a 6/10 but my heart would go 10 im sorry.

BVL

1mo

bros subbed to fantano

KingOfPop

1mo

No one gives a f*** about "fantano". Keep crying + f*** off

KingOfPop

1mo

I think there's a lot of conjecture here and I'm not sure if you've upset yourself watching a Fantano video or if you're just upset the biopic is doing well.

Fantano + others, (presumably including yourself based on this post) seem to have an opinion that Michael Jackson fans will blindly agree with his behaviours across every aspect of his life.

That's not really the truth, and I know, being part of this world for 28+ years. Agreeing and accepting/understanding are two very different things.

I'll be honest. There is no agreeing with certain aspects of his life. When you apply common societal norms you will find that Michael was very different in a number of ways (not just in this area).

But you are also not understanding the why this was. Michael Jackson didn't have any societal norm in his life. When you compare him to the man down the street, was the man down the street violently abused and exploited from a young age, before becoming the most famous person on the planet by their early 20s?

Look at Rose Fine, look at what life was like growing up as a Jackson 5 member for him. You start to understand the experiences that shape the viewpoint of life as a whole.

Neverland was a safe haven for all. For all the children this, children that and "creep" behaviour did you know Neverland frequently hosted days for all age ranges (including specific Senior days). Did you know Neverland was open on these days whether Michael was there or not? There are hundreds and thousands of people who visited Neverland, shared their stories of it, and Michael wasn't even there. Neverland was a slice of life he could not enjoy or experience outside of those gates. No one else could understand what that would mean. Look at the videos of MJ being hired out a retail store with friends in disguises so he could see what grocery shopping was like. Think about how impossibly sad that situation is.

Most of Michael Jackson's behaviours and thoughts would probably have suited being unpicked with a very experienced therapist from a young age. But when you are exploited to the level he was from the wide range of people he was (including medical professionals), these things aren't an option. HIPAA laws weren't a thing until 1996.

There is no agreeing with certain things. But there is an understanding. Applying context. And not just personal context. No personal experience will ever suit what Michael Jackson was in any aspect of his life. It's never happened before or again and never should. Because it's a very lonely tale of exploitation from the very beginning.

And there is certainly a difference between behaviours that do not fit societal norms, and criminal behaviours. And that is a whole separate discussion.

You are talking about things someone recently wrote about that I found quite interesting. Maybe you will too. Take a read:
https://medium.com/@​lowerbackpainproductions/why-i-still-support-michael-jackson-in-2026-a-look-at-what-the-evidence-actually-shows-f371b422bc88

TheGhost

1mo

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there is zero context you can give me for a grown man having sleepovers in bed with 10 year olds. you know it i know it everyone knows it. but keep making excuses for it bro you're only making yourself look just as weird.

the movie doesn't bother me, i thought it was a s***ty biopic, it left out major parts of his life and it's disingenuous. and no not talking about the trial as that could be insensitive for universal and Jackson estate to profit from that if there's a chance something happened to someone over the years. where was the Prince rivalry? no mention? where was him buying the ATV Music and merging with Sony? they got small details wrong as well like his dad calling him big nose, that was his brothers that gave him that nickname. they showed quite a lot of events in his life but always on a pure surface level, after the film I didn't feel like I got a look into the mind of Michael Jackson and who he really was inside, the only thing they semi focused on like that was his sour relationship with his dad. Compare it to the Springsteen biopic which was released earlier this year, that film does dive into the mind of Springsteen in a way we never seen with this film for MJ. Best thing about the film was the singing and dancing scenes were incredible. good acting, but the writing was pretty garbage.

KingOfPop

1mo

Things happen for a reason and world views are shaped by experiences.

You don't know who Rose Fine is, you don't know any of these things.

Like I said, understanding why something happens is not the same as excusing something or agreeing with it.

TheGhost

1mo

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so you agree it is wrong to sleep in bed with 10 year olds who aren't yours for a month straight yes

plus how do you get to say I don't know rose fine but you apparently know Michael Jackson? None of us know anyone in jackson's circle we just saw them on TV. I am only going off what is publicly available for MJ, for the record the Leaving Neverland doc was proven to be full of lies but a child admitted in an interview that they wanted to sleep on the floor and Michael said "If you love me, you would sleep in the bed!"

i don't give a f*** what anyone says that is wrong and you KNOW it's wrong

KingOfPop

1mo

So you can't read?

Also, a month straight is poorly sourced Vanity Fair slop. You need to re-read the April 11th 2005 trial transcript.

TheGhost

1mo

it seems like you are scared to say it is wrong, you doing anything BUT admit it is wrong. I didn't get that info from vanity fair lmfao it was from accusers.

so you're strongest argument was "it wasn't a month bro he only slept in bed with 10 year olds for 2 weeks straight nothing weird about that as a grown man" what are you saying

KingOfPop

1mo

I've already told you there are a number of aspects to his life I disagree with, and of course this is one of them.

Do you understand the concept of acceptance vs agreement?

TheGhost

1mo

oh i know the concept of acceptable and agreement

let's see if you do...

do you give that acceptance, or are you in agreement with it?

did you notice both of those side with the opinion that you either gotta accept michael slept with kids or you agree with it too

weird take bro

mov

1mo

The way you're arguing itt is weird lil bro

mov

1mo

The way you're arguing itt is weird lil bro

TheGhost

1mo

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no one will admit it is wrong to sleep with 10 year olds all i get in response is either accept it or agree with it lmfao and i'm the weird one, even the biggest super stan of MJ should be able to admit that is wrong for anyone to do

KingOfPop

1mo

"I disagree with it"

"So do you agree with it"

It's really not hard to understand

TheGhost

1mo

when did you once say you disagree with it, you never once used that word you just been dancing around this s***

you said you understood why

TheGhost

1mo

there is zero context you can give me for a grown man having sleepovers in bed with 10 year olds. you know it i know it everyone knows it. but keep making excuses for it bro you're only making yourself look just as weird.

the movie doesn't bother me, i thought it was a s***ty biopic, it left out major parts of his life and it's disingenuous. and no not talking about the trial as that could be insensitive for universal and Jackson estate to profit from that if there's a chance something happened to someone over the years. where was the Prince rivalry? no mention? where was him buying the ATV Music and merging with Sony? they got small details wrong as well like his dad calling him big nose, that was his brothers that gave him that nickname. they showed quite a lot of events in his life but always on a pure surface level, after the film I didn't feel like I got a look into the mind of Michael Jackson and who he really was inside, the only thing they semi focused on like that was his sour relationship with his dad. Compare it to the Springsteen biopic which was released earlier this year, that film does dive into the mind of Springsteen in a way we never seen with this film for MJ. Best thing about the film was the singing and dancing scenes were incredible. good acting, but the writing was pretty garbage.

WRU

1mo

bro came into an mj flick expecting a documentary recreation of life events and not songs and dances

like do you honestly think everyones stupid and clueless out here director included?