mosh

2y

It's not necessarily Spiderman fighting the villains solo or the screen-time of other MCU heroes that's the problem, it's that so much of his character and the plot are dependent on his MCU relationships.

In Homecoming, Iron Man takes away Peter's Starktech suit, forcing him to use his homemade suit. This is admittedly not a bad thing for his first movie, but his entire character development throughout is now attached to Tony rather than Peter discovering what it means to be a hero on his own.

In Far From Home, Peter is given the SHIELD suit and StarkTech, rather than having to rely on his own abilities (until the final fight at least). Even though he doesn't appear in much of the movie, Peter's entire class trip is diverted because of Nick Fury. In this movie and the previous one, the villains have a connection to Tony.

It just feels like Spiderman is made out to be Iron Man Jr. sometimes. I think when people feel some type of way about it, they are missing the vibes of Spiderman 1 & 2, where he's a regular guy with powers and not this sci-fi hero that he's been made out to be recently.

nightingalexo

2y

Keep and put the budget into Spiderverse 3

mosh

2y

It's not necessarily Spiderman fighting the villains solo or the screen-time of other MCU heroes that's the problem, it's that so much of his character and the plot are dependent on his MCU relationships.

In Homecoming, Iron Man takes away Peter's Starktech suit, forcing him to use his homemade suit. This is admittedly not a bad thing for his first movie, but his entire character development throughout is now attached to Tony rather than Peter discovering what it means to be a hero on his own.

In Far From Home, Peter is given the SHIELD suit and StarkTech, rather than having to rely on his own abilities (until the final fight at least). Even though he doesn't appear in much of the movie, Peter's entire class trip is diverted because of Nick Fury. In this movie and the previous one, the villains have a connection to Tony.

It just feels like Spiderman is made out to be Iron Man Jr. sometimes. I think when people feel some type of way about it, they are missing the vibes of Spiderman 1 & 2, where he's a regular guy with powers and not this sci-fi hero that he's been made out to be recently.

OHMNI

2y

even other characters that have solos it feels more natural why the MCU universe plot is happening and they have their own development

spider man trilogy has been hamfisted and treated him as a child that needs coddling and help every single step of the way to the point where he barely even appears intelligent

mosh

2y

It's not necessarily Spiderman fighting the villains solo or the screen-time of other MCU heroes that's the problem, it's that so much of his character and the plot are dependent on his MCU relationships.

In Homecoming, Iron Man takes away Peter's Starktech suit, forcing him to use his homemade suit. This is admittedly not a bad thing for his first movie, but his entire character development throughout is now attached to Tony rather than Peter discovering what it means to be a hero on his own.

In Far From Home, Peter is given the SHIELD suit and StarkTech, rather than having to rely on his own abilities (until the final fight at least). Even though he doesn't appear in much of the movie, Peter's entire class trip is diverted because of Nick Fury. In this movie and the previous one, the villains have a connection to Tony.

It just feels like Spiderman is made out to be Iron Man Jr. sometimes. I think when people feel some type of way about it, they are missing the vibes of Spiderman 1 & 2, where he's a regular guy with powers and not this sci-fi hero that he's been made out to be recently.

Mark Moschino

2y

its the fact that none of peter's arc or character progression is fueled by peter. it's always a lesson from some outside source (usually iron man) and it makes the character feel like a sidekick in his own movie

Mark Moschino

2y

It's getting heated in the Spider-man thread

chip skylark

2y

Yeah I felt the same way about Uncle Ben being his main motivation to like cmon Pete think for yourself for once

aaron xx

2y

@ChiraqPalestine with a warranted crash out itt

aaron xx

2y

ill never forget when i saw a reviewer say far from home was the best spider-man movie

ill never forget a mf for that - literally the WORST spider-man movie ever made absolute disgrace to spiderman

Experiment626

2y

Idk man I simply don’t mind this Spidey stories being so intertwined with the MCU characters. Especially when we have other movies that are more traditional Spidey archs

It’s what i ultimately expected, he’s their biggest hero so naturally they want him to engage with as many plot lines in the universe as possible

Now whether those plot lines are of high quality or not is a different matter

But even with his heavy Iron Man involvement, he never came off as not being Spidey to me

chip skylark

2y

Yeah ain’t no way they gonna mess up the best trilogy in their, ima let them cook

Mark Moschino

2y

damn, reading this makes me wish they would adapt this crazy obscure one-shot from amazing fantasy 15 where peter has a chance to stop a burglar, but he doesn't cause the burglar's victim was a d*** to him.

But when he gets home he realizes that the burglar killed his uncle! that's so crazy isn't it???

OHMNI

2y

Its not even truly adding much of value to the MCU is the issue though gang

its not like we are seeing daredevil and spider man fight king pin

its just hamfisting a dead mans story into spider mans

iron man is dead and spider man purpose to deal with grieving . So now its grieve for grieve if he isnt as mopey about aunt may as iron man that will look weird and he spent large portions of final two saying mr stark this mr stark that

like he didn't have anyone else who raised him before he met tony

OHMNI

2y

this is amazing spider man 1 crodie

OHMNI

2y

this is amazing spider man 1 crodie

Experiment626

2y

I just see his relationship with Tony a natural choice since we didn’t have characters like Reed or Osborn

Again the quality of it is different cause tbh the writing for most MCU projects could be tighter in general but them giving this Spidey his relationship with Iron Man the initial reason for him to exist in the MCU is fine with me

Hopefully they evolve past that cause it would be a breathe of fresh air but given we now know he’s getting two trilogies, the first being Iron Man focused (which damn near all of the MCU is anyway) makes sense