Mysterio was more a hypnotist and closer to psychotic in comics . Similarities to chameleon or making Peter think dead love ones were still alive or framing him with more than just “ spider man was controlling these robots “ which is flimsy and non sensical at best

Hobgoblin , green goblin robotic

Kraven and mysterio yes there have been many but there is the central 1s

Comics always going to rehash with different names same way there have been multiple venoms

It’s trash writing and if it wasn’t trash writing for the villains they wouldn’t have killed them off to bring back dafoe to carry. Dafoe in one movie where he was only a villain for 30 minutes was better than all of Holland villains even if you remove the forced kill of aunt may
Vulture in homecoming was a copy paste of the story beats in 1 be for real

You can just admit the story and villains were bad writing it’s okay .

Even with the technology villains you listed the reason they worked is because spider man had LESS TECHNOLOGY THAN THEM

HE WAS OUTGUNNED

IRON SPIDER SUIT

Spider man suit given to him by iron man

Drones given to him by iron man

Him creating less of his own and when he does it being on iron man’s ship is just bad writing plain and simple

A suit with a kill mode or that tells him how to use his powers is not spider man . I would have stopped being a fan in all forms long ago if it was

It fits the MCU. Worst spider man movies though

You don’t think it’s contrived that just the villains and the spider men entered the mcu ?

The mcu is where it’s at because of trilogy like this

It will burn to the ground

Yeah but he fought both villains solo pretty much

Fury and Ironman were in like 10% of each movie

Tony’s impact in the first movie was taking the suit back and in the 2nd movie giving the glasses. Both helped Peter’s arc but not like Ironman himself played a big part. The only thing Tony/Ironman did was help with the ferry.

Yeah he was in it, he wasn’t a big part of it though. He was in what, 5%-10% of the movie, if that? He didn’t help fight Vulture.

That's like 1-2 stories out of 60 years of the character existence man

That's like saying Raimi did trash job with Norman because Norman did so much more in the comics, such as killing Peter's child, orchestrating a clone saga, buying Bugle and trying to force Peter to kill him so he would end up being just s***ty as he is.

Yeah, sure there were some deep stories with these characters, such as when Vulture got cancer and wanted to apologize to Aunt May for killing her husband before dying, but generally those characters are depicted as some money or fame hungry thugs with tech based powers, which is exactly the way MCU has treated them. They've changed Mysterio's origin from a movie set special effects master to a scientist, but the core of the character remained the same anyway, he still was doing pretty much the same s*** he did in the comics, which is trying to fool everybody and to get famous. They've changed the person who f***ed Toomes up from his business partner to Stark and gave him a different suit but literally everything else stayed almost the same (minus the family part)

It's like you wanted to have all 60 years of character history shoved in a 2 hour film. The writing in FFH was f***ing garbage overall, but Mysterio was perfect. Every villain in Holland movies was great. Just because Goblin was the best one doesn't change much because... it's a f***ing Green Goblin, of course he's gonna be the best

Man just chill, it's not that serious

ITT: they falling for DanielRPK psyops in big 2024.

Norman Osborne Goblin was well written. Its not just about what they do . He was a well written human being that didn't just feel like "hey I am a villain" he had his own motivations both involving spider man and not. Had a job which we saw him work. A family which we saw him interact with both with peter parker in frame and without peter parker in frame. You can talk about generally forever. You can talk about the comics forever. A comic that cost infinitely less to make and expected to make less money vs a spider man mcu movie that is a one time watch for 20$ a viral moment for memes then never to really be watched again. MCU is going the way it is because people like yourself rationalize the dumb s*** rather than give it any form of constructive criticism. No I did not want a characters 60 year history in the film. S*** I do not know most of that 60 year history. Its about the character in the film in so many ways isn't Spider Man. It is what they have constructed with the most plot contrivances known to man to make money. You can feel it in how its written,acted and displayed to the viewer. The only brave thing they have done is the ending of no way home. I doubt the DanielRPK scoop but without a writer or director announced. There is the general worry that they will in some way do as they have done many times before and retcon or not commit to a story choice

To be clear my same criticisms were lobbed at Snyderverse. You can make all the excuses in the world for trash writing its still trash writing. You can make all the excuses in the world for black panther , spider man 2 central characters conveniently disappearing after they just entered the universe while actors that are still within the universe and getting movies pumped out didn't leave. Its still trash writing. I say on the anniversary of chadwick boseman dying its TRASH WRITING . You have no stakes of death. You have no stakes of a dimension. You have no stakes of secret identity you have destroyed it all for shock factor

You are even bringing back RDJ but ooooo he is evil this time wow we have never seen a hero be evil instead this time SO WACKY SO MULTIVERSAL. S*** is lazy man. Make any excuse you want to for it.

Not only is Goblin the best . Pause and think out of the villains he fights in No Way home how many are villains from his dimension .

I will be back here when you are done counting. Spoiler the answer is 0

How many movies did he spend trusting whatever random man comes in to his life after his father figure of ben passed. He instantly trust Iron Man, All of the sinister six and more. He has no sense to actually discern anything and is that gullible for that many movies

No great power and great responsibility when your identify is exposed every film then you try to wish they didn't know with Dr Strange OUT OF EVERYTHING YOU COULD WISH FOR.

I am nerding out I be like this if you dont want the smoke just stop responding its never personal I dont hate you. It isnt that serious life goes on cape s*** gonna cape s*** but I am always going to get my bars off

its not about just the Daniel RPK rumor its about HOW HAVE WE HEARD NOTHING FOR 3 F***ING YEARS

no script no director no set film time

thats not pathetic to you?

same as blade

that s*** is pathetic

you pushing Fantastic Four in the past with RDJ but X Men, Spider Man, Blade where are they ?

It's not necessarily Spiderman fighting the villains solo or the screen-time of other MCU heroes that's the problem, it's that so much of his character and the plot are dependent on his MCU relationships.

In Homecoming, Iron Man takes away Peter's Starktech suit, forcing him to use his homemade suit. This is admittedly not a bad thing for his first movie, but his entire character development throughout is now attached to Tony rather than Peter discovering what it means to be a hero on his own.

In Far From Home, Peter is given the SHIELD suit and StarkTech, rather than having to rely on his own abilities (until the final fight at least). Even though he doesn't appear in much of the movie, Peter's entire class trip is diverted because of Nick Fury. In this movie and the previous one, the villains have a connection to Tony.

It just feels like Spiderman is made out to be Iron Man Jr. sometimes. I think when people feel some type of way about it, they are missing the vibes of Spiderman 1 & 2, where he's a regular guy with powers and not this sci-fi hero that he's been made out to be recently.

Nah I feel u lol, I read like all of them post late 70's Spider-Man main series in their entirety up until 2007, plus some s*** from BND and vol 4 of ASM, so I totally feel u

I just don't see how MCU Spider-Man villains have a bad writing
I have a lot problems with the movies overall and Peter Parker characterization, but the villains were done beautifully, I couldn't wish for more with Vulture and Beck

Keep and put the budget into Spiderverse 3

they by definition have bad and lazy writing

they die or resolve like mighty morphin villains so again now after the entire trilogy what central character have they built up that they still have?

Vulture is who the f*** knows where

Mysterio dead

So what do they have left

Aunt May dead

Mary Jane and Ned exist but forgot most of their existence in relation to spider man

everything they built up around NY Spider Man was basically erased....

Norman died in the first movie

Otto died in the second

They are poorly written villains too then?

Norman and Otto are infintely better writing than Vulture and Mysterio be serious with yourself

the issue I have with Mysterio and vulture not existing in the universe is because they dont even get a chance to improve from what they were

also a situation of a trilogy and complete it doesnt matter if they die

it does matter in this case because its a cinematic universe with many many more spider man appearances planned

If it was just a trilogy yeah reveal the secret identity, kill aunt may, kill a villain a film do whatever the f*** you want

its the fact that they are aiming at 6 movies damn near and these s*** side movies and if a villain is used in one it cant be used in another that creates many overlying issues

I simply cannot pretend this is all well done man

we rapidly see him jump from plot point to plot point because he has so much to get through and so many ways he has to serve the universe