TheFader

2y

Removing animated shows that 14 people have watched, tell me how Superman is still currently more popular then Iron Man

mjpplus

2y

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Quality still matters and bombs aren't necessarily defined as the raw dollar amount a film makes, but rather what it makes in comparison to its budget. This is why a film like Longlegs is being seen as such as success but its only made $58 million as of today.

Their first real hint at trouble was Eternals. Sure, some Phase 1 movies didn't crack 400 million but those were still movies that were testing the waters of the market. Eternals was a film that was Marvel's first one to get a rotten RT score. That reflected in its box office.

Shang-Chi, the movie that came out 2 months earlier and still made more money than Eternals which was supposed to be this big emotional arthouse epic based on the promotion. That s*** was supposed to be BIG. Black Widow made $20 million less than Eternals, so on paper it looks worse right? You then have to account for the fact that it was also on Disney+ day 1. Without that Black Widow probably would've cracked $500 million. Not to mention, Venom 2 which came out only a month before Eternals, cracked $500 million and broke the record for highest October opening.

Then No Way Home comes out, breaks records. Then Multiverse of Madness, even Love & Thunder did really well. Then Wakanda Forever took a dip in box office in comparison to the first. Not totally unexpected but people would've thought ti would do the same if not better for a movie that doubles as a Chadwick Boseman tribute. Meanwhile in the background of all these movies coming out, you have Disney+ putting out show after show after show. I s*** you not 2021 and 2022 were non f***ing stop Marvel. And personal opinion aside, they were not all received well. She-Hulk was kind of hated, Ms. Marvel was looked at as forgettable, Moon Knight was seen as a disappointment. So combine the not so great reception of the films and the not so great reception of the shows, and the problem is building.

Then we get to Ant-Man Quantumania. The movie that was billed to be the thing that sets the Multiverse Saga on it's path by introducing Kang, the big bad for the rest of the saga into film. The reviews came out, and it was not good. Somehow, due to its perceived importance at the time, it opened to over $100 million. For Ant-Man? That's great. However, when your move costs and upwards of $325 million, you need to make a lot more than that. The poor reception of the film slashed it's legs and it only ended up making $476 million. Guardians 3, seen as a return to form, made only about $20 million less than Guardians 2 which was released during peak Marvel. The reception of the films and TV shows impact each other. If you are served a bad product, why would you go back? This is why so many people have checked out at this point.

Following Guardians you have the 1-2 punch of the terrible Secret Invasion show and the writers and actors strikes. The Marvels comes out to a less than stellar reception. That, plus the inability of the cast to promote the movie because of the strikes, as well as the poor reception of a lot of other Marvel projects in the last year, result in Marvel's first true bomb.

It was a snowball of poor reception that resulted in the entire conversation of Marvel is dying.

Superman 1 made $300 million, the less positively received Superman 2 made $190 million, the poorly received Superman 3 made only $80 million, the even worse Superman 4 only made $36.7 million dollars. Same can be said about Superman's DCEU appearances. After BvS (which is more of a crossover film) each one made less than the last. The DCEU was impacted so badly that a movie that was received well, The Suicide Squad, couldn't even crack $200 million (partially due to it also being on HBO Max but Dune was also on it day 1 and ended up making $400 million).

The 4th Superman movie only made 10% of what the first one did. Why? The quality wasn't consistent. Marvel kept the quality factor up and told a multi faceted story up until Endgame that the whole world was into. With Marvel's overall dip in quality and lack of focus, they lost people.

Quality matters. If you bring a good string of movies, the audience will build no matter who the movie stars or is about. That is franchise filmmaking 101.

NobodyWins

2y

And seethe

TheFader

2y

This is well written but unfortunately contradicts what you said earlier

OHMNI

2y

Justice league and timms series is why these cinematic universe idea came from stupid ass nigga

SegaDreamFlash

2y

Adapted in more media, more comic book sales, more comic book series focused on him, merch still sells, one of the most instantly recognizable characters worldwide, and now he's fresh in people mind cuz he has a new movie about to release by a popular director.

Now answer my question lol

NobodyWins

2y

And seethe

TheFader

2y

This is well written but unfortunately contradicts what you said earlier

TheFader

2y

He’s a recognizable brand. We’ve established this. This doesn’t mean people still connect with the character

TheFader

2y

He’s a recognizable brand. We’ve established this. This doesn’t mean people still connect with the character

SegaDreamFlash

2y

bro niggas just gave you google results with Superman soaring over Ironman

OHMNI

2y

Gunn dropping the movie on anniversary of his dad death and pretending it’s a coincidence that pedo about to snap

PUFF SHENRON

2y

please dont say that mans name again in this thread im already in a bad enough mood as it is

NobodyWins

2y

Let’s do a justice league watch along tonight

OHMNI

2y

Stop it

SegaDreamFlash

2y

bro niggas just gave you google results with Superman soaring over Ironman

mjpplus

2y

People are going to perk their ears up at a Superman movie regardless. If it's bad they won't go but they'll know about it.

The amount of people who have a negative opinion of the DCEU just shows how many people did have interest in that Superman until they saw it.

Same is going to happen to the next Superman, if it's good they'll come back. If not, the DCU is going to not make it past Supergirl, plain and simple.

If Superman is the greatest Superman movie, even better than Reeves, it has a shot at making a billi

NobodyWins

2y

Let’s do a justice league watch along tonight