would you have viewed success under the glazers as “self made”?

the opinions on sabitzer are funny because none of our CM’s are that good without casemiro next to them.

go look at eriksen against brentford city and arsenal away where case doesnt play. he gets absolutely exposed

Yes? We would have had the same succes without them, arguably even more.

Buy our fighter jets, missiles and weapon systems — but don't you dare touch our sports you scoundrels!!!

F*** I got to do with missiles rockets and weapons. I’m not a politician, I’m a football fan.

Just shows how bad y’all are at defending this dumbass Qatar takeover

Valid point - Eriksen, like Sabitzer, is a good but not great CM. The ideal scenario is a first choice no.8 and Eriksen drops to being third choice CM.

So you have no interests in politics but your reasons for being against this takeover are political?

No? have you read my post?

Go further hating on Sabitzer or something man, you fr re tarded

So explain your faux moral outrage? Claiming you will abandon your support for the club (oh no, anyway!) if we are taken over by Qatar?

Reported.

okay so if i’m following, it isn’t necessarily the sportswashing element alone that bothers you, but also other potential owners that would inject their own money into the club would taint any future successes as they’d no longer be self made.

am i following correctly here?

Which is bizarre — so what exactly do you want from a potential owner, @Marble? To take over and not invest any money?? To keep it running as is - with a ruining stadium and poor facilities?

I don’t get the idea that Qatari investment would taint anything. We’ve won enough league titles without oil money for any victory to look like restoring a normal order of things.

City winning titles ordinarily makes little sense. If say, Burnley, hit the lotto and win the league, it would seem hollow. It’s not the same for United.

It's about identity dumbass, something which 90% of my post is about. And how on earth has governments selling weapons to Qatar have anything to do with them buying Man United? You think I'm voting for politicians selling them weapons?

Come on you lot it shouldn't need explaining why Qatar are f***ing wank

It's about history bro. In 20 years nobody will care about titles we've won under SAF, it will only be about the things we did with cheat money. I even get someone like Burnley going for oil money, cus they'll probably never win anything significant otherwise. We're Man United, we can live of our own income if properly managed. I'd just like an owner that isn't a literal state (a horrible one at that), it would be a plus if they would run this club well.

No but what about...

its not about an explanation, everyone has different reasons why they would be against it, I’m trying to fully understand yours but you’re too busy getting trolled by the other poster to engage with me

Fundamentally I think we just disagree there, then. I think we’ve done more than enough historically to not be tainted, irrespective of who is in charge.

Don’t get me wrong - being State backed is horrid, but I just feel like we’ll be picking our poison, whoever we get.

Finding an owner who can 1. meet the proposed purchase price, and 2. Also have enough to upgrade our dilapidated stadium and facilities is a very small pool. The media has stated it’s either a state backing, it’s a billionaire man child whose money also comes from illicit means like Musk, it’s a company like Ratcliffe/INEOS who engage in some shady practices themselves who are also looking to leverage debt finance, (which should be fine), provided its being charged against INEOS and have nothing to do with the club.

One thing I am in agreement with — once the facilities and the debt is clear — this club could easily be self sustainable. It just needs that initial injection right now

What do you want to know?

1. My main reason is identity, we are becoming a state owned club, a literal country controls us. We will be a Qatari's club forever, they will never have reason to sell us. We will be known in a few decades as the Qatar club and our past achievements will not prevent that (young people, don't care about 30 year old league titles, they will only see an oil club)

2. They are a state which means they have an unlimited budget, having an unlimited budget feels unfair, it feels like cheating in a game, just like I've always felt City have cheated their way to titles. And celebrating oil titles for us would makes me an incredible hypocrite.

3. We are in FFP trouble atm so maybe we can spend only 100 mil on transfer this summers, you think the Qatari's will only want to get 1 player this summer for their big takeover? of course not, they'll get multiple stars in and they'll find some accounting way to do this, we'll be happy this summer and in 10 years we could be in the same position City is in now.

4. How will our club actually be run? PSG has had Qatar for more than a decade now and apart from a few worthless Ligue 1 titles they have not won a CL, they have bought all the best players in the world, but have had absolutely no plan (similar to Glazers), have gone through 10 managers or so. It is not like they're exactly hands off like people think they will be. If EtH doesn't win anything next season despite a few signings they could just sack him if he does not go well with a new star signing like Mbappe. Plus we might not even be their first priority with PSG in the picture and .

5. And last (this seems like the only refutable argument in this thread), the state that wants to buy us is not the best in the world, homosexuality is illegal there, women are oppressed and thousands of migrant workers died there to build stadiums. (that's why saying 'reported' is kind of funny to me). And please don't tell me the US or UK are equal or worse (that may be), but we are not owned by the United Stated or the United Kingdom and they are not looking to buy us.

I hope this is enough, but you can always asks me further questions, but I got work to do now so I can't respond for some time. It is just my opinion and you can agree with me or not. I don't blame anyone for still supporting United after a Qatar takeover cus its a club we have all grown to love and giving it up like that seems very difficult, I just have a feeling that love will fade for me, which is hard to face. I'm not even trying to convince y'all per se to feel the same as me, it is just a personal rant that I can't have anywhere else at the moment. I'd really prefer just a consortium or individual investor buy us instead of a state.

fake acc, would be hilarious tho