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  • Jan 23, 2024
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    ANTI

    I'm optimistic for the future but I also feel there's a good chance that the whole "If you don't perform within 2 years, you're gone" isn't going to apply to a lot of the people the fanbase want gone.

    Yeah unfortunately I don’t see Rashford going any time soon unless a new coach performs while having him permanently benched. I don’t see him or us forcing a move otherwise, due to commercial reasons.

  • Jan 23, 2024
    Marble

    Yeah unfortunately I don’t see Rashford going any time soon unless a new coach performs while having him permanently benched. I don’t see him or us forcing a move otherwise, due to commercial reasons.

    Rashford specifically is still in that odd gray area though. Yes, he's been s*** but even then he's not as ineffective as Anthony, not as unprofessional as Sancho, not as unfit as Martial.

    You're not going to just sell everyone in one window. If you're selling then you have to prioritise based on unavailability, mentality, contract length remaining, age, and then performance. And of course who is getting offers in the first place.

  • Jan 23, 2024

    We poaching Bayern backroom staff now

  • Jan 23, 2024
    DwindlingSun

    I don't think this necessarily, even if we come 6th/7th. Unless these next few months are beyond disastrous and he completely loses the dressing room.

    Comments by Ratcliffe, INEOS et al. about the expectations of this club would not align with this if Hag retains his job after finishing seventh

  • Jan 23, 2024
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    DwindlingSun

    There's more factors to take into account than just this season's performances.

    From just a pure working relationship perspective Ten Hag is seemingly the consummate professional time and again. Under pressure he's calm and composed, doesn't toss people under the bus, retains self-belief. That stuff counts for a lot especially when you've got new ownership coming in.

    Regardless of how we have performed he's objectively a strong football brain type person. He's highly regarded, talked about positively for his work ethic, first one in last one out, detailed plans, involved in every stage of the club, fully engaged with youth and respectful of United principles.

    So far the two people that have been sat besides Ineos at games are Sir Alex and David Gill. It's known Sir Alex likes and supports Ten Hag. I'm guessing by extension Gill does too. Those opinions clearly seem to have some measure of weight to Ineos given they're actively engaging with them.

    I don't think Ineos will be thinking to toss him aside unless there's some top top candidate available - which there doesn't seem to be. Zidane is really the only one but he's time and again seemed to not be interested. Otherwise there's Flick and that's really about it.

    So again for the reasons before, if you know you're building something anew and there's a great deal of restructuring required, then you want a manager who's professional and still hungry and dedicated and aligned with your principles and has the backing of senior stakeholders - which Ten Hag is.

    This is almost entirely conjecture. I know you’re a big fan of the man, but let’s call a spade a spade and admit that the manager isn’t at the requisite level. We were all mostly duped by a CL performance from over 4 seasons ago.

    With all due respect to the man, INEOS taking any credence in Sir Alex’s views other than passing observations would be at their folly. Also, there’s nothing to suggest Sir Alex still remains a fan — or even to what extent he was initially — of ten Hag.

    Not sacking an underperforming manager because the options aren’t what you want is one of the weakest argument possible — it lends to the point that the current guy hasn’t a scoobert and he remains almost entirely due to fear of the unknown.
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    And, just generally, how can anyone watch this midfield chasm he actively sets up every week; the routine cutbacks that we concede invariably every game; the inability to see out matches etc. week in week out and still suggest the manager is not a fundamental issue here?

    Those are tactical and managerial concerns that haven’t been remedied since September — fundamental tactical flaws which have less to do with player quality, which is what most of those still with hope in the man tend to speak of.

  • Jan 23, 2024
    Grenouille

    This is almost entirely conjecture. I know you’re a big fan of the man, but let’s call a spade a spade and admit that the manager isn’t at the requisite level. We were all mostly duped by a CL performance from over 4 seasons ago.

    With all due respect to the man, INEOS taking any credence in Sir Alex’s views other than passing observations would be at their folly. Also, there’s nothing to suggest Sir Alex still remains a fan — or even to what extent he was initially — of ten Hag.

    Not sacking an underperforming manager because the options aren’t what you want is one of the weakest argument possible — it lends to the point that the current guy hasn’t a scoobert and he remains almost entirely due to fear of the unknown.
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    And, just generally, how can anyone watch this midfield chasm he actively sets up every week; the routine cutbacks that we concede invariably every game; the inability to see out matches etc. week in week out and still suggest the manager is not a fundamental issue here?

    Those are tactical and managerial concerns that haven’t been remedied since September — fundamental tactical flaws which have less to do with player quality, which is what most of those still with hope in the man tend to speak of.

    Facts. A few dutch dinner plates and a CL run that he outdid Spurs at their own game at is what he had coming into this

    S***housed his way into a second season thanks to Rashford wanting a new contract.

    Fields an 11 every week that play like they've never met before.

    Record breaking levels of worst ever performances on multiple occasions.

    Absolutely dogshit talent ID.

    Fraud on every level.

    Can't wait until he's gone

  • Jan 23, 2024
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    Apparently Onana’s been benched by Cameroon

  • Jan 23, 2024

    Frightening thought that Sir Alex still holds has any sway on club affairs

  • Jan 23, 2024
    ANTI

    Apparently Onana’s been benched by Cameroon

    didnt he come back to Cameroon because him and that manager reconciled?

    and now hes benched by that manager? funny.

  • Jan 23, 2024
    ANTI

    Apparently Onana’s been benched by Cameroon

  • Jan 23, 2024
    ANTI

    Apparently Onana’s been benched by Cameroon

    And they go thru lol

  • Jan 23, 2024
    Marble

    Imagine how great it would be to never have to see Lindelof Antony Rashford Martial McTominay Sancho etc. on the teamsheet ever again

    The curse will be lifted

  • Jan 23, 2024
    ANTI

    Apparently Onana’s been benched by Cameroon

    How embarrassing

    Definitely a ten hag signing

  • Jan 24, 2024
    ANTI

    Apparently Onana’s been benched by Cameroon

  • Jan 24, 2024
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  • Jan 24, 2024
    Sprout Spreghorst

    https://twitter.com/centredevils/status/1749915161409048872

    Thee singlehandedly worst fitted position at United bar the Glazers has been freed

  • Jan 24, 2024
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    “How much for Antony?”
    “We’re not selling Antony”
    “I know, but what if you really had to?”
    “Lol 100m”
    “Deal buddy 🤝🤠”

  • Jan 24, 2024
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    be2ye

    “How much for Antony?”
    “We’re not selling Antony”
    “I know, but what if you really had to?”
    “Lol 100m”
    “Deal buddy 🤝🤠”

    United negotiations are hilarious

    Walk into a boardoom:

    Other club: We want 35m
    United: 60m. Deal.

  • Jan 24, 2024
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    be2ye

    “How much for Antony?”
    “We’re not selling Antony”
    “I know, but what if you really had to?”
    “Lol 100m”
    “Deal buddy 🤝🤠”

    To be fair, it was more like…

    “How much for Antony?”
    “40 million”
    “Lol we’re not paying that”

    2 months pass, approaching the end of the window

    “Soo… you said Antony was 40 million right? I know we’re putting you in a tough spot so we’ll give you 50”
    “Lol 100m”
    “Deal buddy 🤝🤠

  • Jan 24, 2024
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    ANTI

    To be fair, it was more like…

    “How much for Antony?”
    “40 million”
    “Lol we’re not paying that”

    2 months pass, approaching the end of the window

    “Soo… you said Antony was 40 million right? I know we’re putting you in a tough spot so we’ll give you 50”
    “Lol 100m”
    “Deal buddy 🤝🤠

    Yea exactly, i left out the part where the board fails to respond fast enough

    Which makes it even more ironic

  • Jan 24, 2024
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    KingOfPop

    United negotiations are hilarious

    Walk into a boardoom:

    Other club: We want 35m
    United: 60m. Deal.

    Unreal

    Wasn’t Murthough directly involved for this?

  • Jan 24, 2024

    Wonder how Sam Barnett will find a new job with this notoriety

  • Jan 24, 2024
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    be2ye

    “How much for Antony?”
    “We’re not selling Antony”
    “I know, but what if you really had to?”
    “Lol 100m”
    “Deal buddy 🤝🤠”

    Or like with Hojlund.

    “How much you want for Hojlund”
    “45 million”
    “Ok deal”
    “Scrap that 55 million”
    “Deal”
    “Nvm 65 million”
    “Wow rude! Deal.”
    “lol 75 mil”
    “Whatever, nobody’s sacking me anyway, Deal!”

  • Jan 24, 2024
    Marble

    Or like with Hojlund.

    “How much you want for Hojlund”
    “45 million”
    “Ok deal”
    “Scrap that 55 million”
    “Deal”
    “Nvm 65 million”
    “Wow rude! Deal.”
    “lol 75 mil”
    “Whatever, nobody’s sacking me anyway, Deal!”

    Then we get in the media the next day: “Murtough stood his ground!”

  • Jan 24, 2024
    Marble

    Or like with Hojlund.

    “How much you want for Hojlund”
    “45 million”
    “Ok deal”
    “Scrap that 55 million”
    “Deal”
    “Nvm 65 million”
    “Wow rude! Deal.”
    “lol 75 mil”
    “Whatever, nobody’s sacking me anyway, Deal!”

    Deal or mo’ Deal 🤝đŸ¤