We’re gonna need a civil war if we wanna see this type of change but I’m with you on that
I have no misconceptions that that may indeed be the case but its important that we at least allow ourselves to envision better ideas and strive for ideals
realistically in the modern post-industrial age you're not just going to have a country without a police force unless you're advocating essentially for an ancap state where all security is privatized, which I am near certain that is not what you want. if you want to discuss the idea of abolishing the current idea of police and replacing them with an equivalent yet heavily reformed alternative, then that's a separate thing, sure, but that's not how you phrased it
not him but thats what i want
You abolish them and replace them with social/medical/trauma ppl whatever you want to call them. All community based
realistically you should probably say that instead of saying "just abolish them" because replacing them with something else isnt the same as just getting rid of them. i don't fully disagree with that idea; only thing i'd realistically ask is how you handle arbitration of violent disputes or wide-scale vandalism
The world war 3 talk lasted 3-4 days. This has been going on for a week and this train is not slowing down, despite the powers that be trying to meekly appease the people, by starting up NBA again and indicting all 4 officers, which should've happened 5 DAYS AGO.
ppl out of work and pissed off
i hope this continues right up to election time
This fella is equipped with a lot of graphs and sources so he may be into something
thanks, this is pretty interesting
realistically you should probably say that instead of saying "just abolish them" because replacing them with something else isnt the same as just getting rid of them. i don't fully disagree with that idea; only thing i'd realistically ask is how you handle arbitration of violent disputes or wide-scale vandalism
Violent disputes such as? Domestic violence?
all i would say is that if police in their current form are agents of capital and the state then real change cannot come from mere reforms to policing but with reforms, or rather, abolition, of the current political and economic system that they are in place to defend.
so you know i'm not disagreeing with that theoretical idea, however, my bigger issue is that this is clearly something wider than just the existence or intersection of the United States. pre-industrialization and pre-globalization this would be a lot more achievable, but globalization has ushered in an era which makes sweeping reform very hard because of intersecting cross-national actors
Violent disputes such as? Domestic violence?
yeah or just violence anywhere that the police would normally be called to deal with
I have no misconceptions that that may indeed be the case but its important that we at least allow ourselves to envision better ideas and strive for ideals
That’s very true but sadly half if not more of this country is completely fine with being comfortable and miserable. I wanna inspire positivity and change in people but idk if it’s worth the try and I don’t know how to go about it anyway
Violent disputes such as? Domestic violence?
you can say domestic violence, yeah, that's a good example. other ones would be armed robbery/burglary, or sexual assault. you could also say, like, how to quell violent forces of militias like the KKK which target minority communities. at least with community policing you can guarantee the interests of the community are represented rather than abroad - like, sure, if you suppose a white guy from wyoming into the philly PD he probably won't care about black people, but a black person policing his own community is going to have the actual community in mind at least theoretically
What if this forces the elite to release a vaccine to get everyone off this
Then, like Jedi Mindtricks, people just forget and go back to their normal lives of going to work and binge drinking on the weekends.
yeah or just violence anywhere that the police would normally be called to deal with
Well first I'll say I dont think even the most radical ideas will work perfectly under capitalism. Domestic violence for example you could have the victim connected to a trauma specialist, get her out of the house and into a new home etc., if she so chooses or detain the offender so the victim can stay in their own home.
im a couple pages behind so yall might have stopped talking about Obama, but the s*** he pulled in Flint about the water was one of the worst things he ever did

im a couple pages behind so yall might have stopped talking about Obama, but the s*** he pulled in Flint about the water was one of the worst things he ever did
!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxbQK_aEgiowait what the F***
you can say domestic violence, yeah, that's a good example. other ones would be armed robbery/burglary, or sexual assault. you could also say, like, how to quell violent forces of militias like the KKK which target minority communities. at least with community policing you can guarantee the interests of the community are represented rather than abroad - like, sure, if you suppose a white guy from wyoming into the philly PD he probably won't care about black people, but a black person policing his own community is going to have the actual community in mind at least theoretically
Well like I said that's why even the ideal solutions would work imperfectly under capitalism
im a couple pages behind so yall might have stopped talking about Obama, but the s*** he pulled in Flint about the water was one of the worst things he ever did
!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxbQK_aEgio
They have started shooting the kids that protest!!
This is !!!!!!
I have just seen a video of a teen standing by himself, clearly not a threat get shoot in the head.
They say he is dead!!!!!
apparently tou thao fled to LA
I heard this too but where did you hear LA?