shirxsi9995

1y

It was one of the first albums I bought as a kid, it is not timeless lol. You don’t hear it brought up anywhere other than forums of Wayne fans trying to claim it’s classic. When is the last time you heard it outside

Mafia Boss

1y

none of the albums u listed fit any criteria of being a classic

Poolboy Q

1y

So Yall can play Lights Out, The Block Is Hot, 500 Degreez, IANAHB, IANAHB2, FWA, C4, C5, Funeral, Rebirth and say “yeah this stuff is just as good as the first 3 carters”?

Mafia Boss

1y

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Is nasir, magic series, kings disease etc as good as illmatic?

shirxsi9995

1y

Not gonna debate GNX, the numbers are undeniable, coming off the craziest year for a rapper, reincarnated & the energy of the album are classic

Every single song on that Vince album is the essence of hip hop you just have terrible taste

shirxsi9995

1y

It was one of the first albums I bought as a kid, it is not timeless lol. You don’t hear it brought up anywhere other than forums of Wayne fans trying to claim it’s classic. When is the last time you heard it outside

Sir Real

1y

People who think mixtapes are somehow less than albums are clueless (and probably racist) losers who don’t understand how hip hop in particular works, or music as a whole for that matter.

It’s a really dog s***, cynical, and ahistorical way of looking at music in general. The same thing that mixtapes do has largely been the format for a large part of music history. Offering a new take on an already existing song isn’t lazy or uninventive. In fact this is largely how music progressed and new sounds were discovered for centuries going back to spirituals and folk songs. Even amongst modern music, whether that be the Great American Song Book, the way jazz takes songs and reinvents them hundreds of times over in new ways, or even just the simple act of sampling and interpolation which is practiced across genres

Charles Mingus for example would re-record his own compositions multiple times in radically different ways under different titles. He consider his compositions to be “living documents” that could be reinterpreted and built upon forever. Someone doing this with someone else’s original composition is no less legitimate.

But when it comes to rap specifically, discounting mixtapes as being lesser than albums is an insanely white take and extremely disrespectful to a culture which has always had mixtapes as a centerpiece.

NanoTheKid

1y

We talking about albums, original creations.

The fact that people can’t defend the albums and immediately jump to mixtapes to defend Wayne is the biggest tell that this take isn’t too off the mark.

Poolboy Q

1y

Love how people are stuck on the whole “bbbbut what about the mixtapes” as if the thread doesn’t soecifically ask albums

Andre Jaquet

1y

I just realized this post is about carter 2 excuse me WHAT
Some people prefer carter 2 to carter 3 dawg. Actually a lot of ppl

Free YoungBoy

1y

Because mixtapes shouldn't be excluded when talking discography

player character

1y

In previous eras, how good you rap was #1, not how cohesive your albums were

Mafia Boss

1y

Most of no ceilings is cleared and on streaming so most of the arguments for it not counting don't really work.

shirxsi9995

1y

I do aswell, but it’s still not a classic. It is clearly not in the same league as the pillars of the genre. C2 could have never came out and nothing would be different. That was right before Wayne hit his streak and found his style. Fact is Wayne wasted his prime on just going in the booth and spitting over whatever and letting others make his projects for him

Mafia Boss

1y

you said a wack vince staples album is a classic. Nobody even cares about that album.

player character

1y

Was it Kanye that made people care more about albums as a piece of art over how good of a rapper one is when determining... well, how good of a rapper one is?

Poolboy Q

1y

Lame ass take

player character

1y

Was it Kanye that made people care more about albums as a piece of art over how good of a rapper one is when determining... well, how good of a rapper one is?

shirxsi9995

1y

I do aswell, but it’s still not a classic. It is clearly not in the same league as the pillars of the genre. C2 could have never came out and nothing would be different. That was right before Wayne hit his streak and found his style. Fact is Wayne wasted his prime on just going in the booth and spitting over whatever and letting others make his projects for him

Poolboy Q

1y

So Yall can play Lights Out, The Block Is Hot, 500 Degreez, IANAHB, IANAHB2, FWA, C4, C5, Funeral, Rebirth and say “yeah this stuff is just as good as the first 3 carters”?

HAPPY BIRTHDAY USA

1y

I can. Block is Hot, 500 Degreez, IANAHB2, C4, and Funeral are all better than Carter 3. Some are even better than Carter 2!!