deceased

3y

But that’s the thing he wasn’t obligated to disclose this

Someone else made that choice for him

We’re on the same page I think you misunderstood me & this dialogue we’re having is a nonissue

krishna bound

3y

There's a difference between personal shame and external/societal shame, I don't think the difference is fair to brush off. While of course there are people who seek out sexual encounters despite shame, which you may say on your end is rooted in transphobia, I don't understand individualizing that. In gay communities, which is not the same ofc but parallel, there are men who are deeply closeted because they were raised in ways to believe their behavior is shameful - and while they still have sexual encounters with other men, they feel shame because something was projected onto them, not necessarily that they originated the feeling. While I know this is a touchy subject, I don't really think it's fair to equate external shame to someone's personal shame unless said person has a literal history of public transphobia or otherwise. It is simply true that there is a massive swathe of people who judge people for having relationships with trans individuals. While I understand the distaste at this, I mean look how much s*** happened as a result of this just literally in the immediacy. Videos from people like AK clowning him, even his current gf acting like this is some insane whimsical hitjob on him rather than something real. Can you blame someone for not wanting to deal with this because they want to separate their personal life from their public presence? People are scared of public humiliation/ridicule regardless of how they personally feel, esp as semi-public figures, I don't understand the idea that they're obligated to disclose these things.

krishna bound

3y

because we don't live in a fair utopian society like there literally had to be CENTURIES of discussion and decades of violence and riots before people even accepted people of the same gender having s***shouldn't be illegal and even now it's punishable in like over half the world, some places by death rights of transgender people has a fractional history compared to that, ofc that s*** isnt universally accepted yet to where we can just be like "well its morally correct so why do we have to explain it" this s*** barely applies to LITERAL RACE. like the civil rights act was 59 YEARS AGO. ofc this is going to apply to other social categories as well

@blonded isn't trying to invalidate your position, he's extrapolating the unfortunate reality that we live in a world where things that are moral are not universally understood or recognized and there's unfortunate consequences of that socially

sfsorrow

3y

When you don’t know what gaslighting is

Gojira

3y

How do you type so much so fast

Gojira

3y

How do you type so much so fast

krishna bound

3y

experience and anger

Not Like Josuke

3y

Whether I do or don't you still got the point, which is why you felt the need to respond

krishna bound

3y

I don't understand that though, obviously someone else disclosed it, but he's allowed to feel uncomfortable about the social consequences of that isn't he? Regardless of how he feels about it personally? That's why people in the thread are using terms like "outted", so I don't get the original frustration

Gojira

3y

I see you make 3 paragraph posts in 5 minutes after you got quoted im like breh

krishna bound

3y

usually it's because i'm already in the thread

deceased

3y

Alright so let’s discuss it then:

This entire situation right is to ridicule Housephone for having s***with a trans woman. Since I gotta break it down for you;
1: IF housephone identifies as straight, having s***with a woman doesn’t change that.
It is transphobic to say he is not straight because he had s***with a woman who is trans.

2: it’s also transphobic and homophobic to ridicule this man in general for his sexual relations, as it’s none of our business; the basis was for him to be ashamed of himself or embarrassed for having any association with either community

All of this was done to humiliate him and if you have any other questions comments or concerns I’m more than happy to engage in dialogue with you.

deceased

3y

This, I can work with.
Transphobia is rooted in hate & ignorance of gender identification.
Sex/Gender are not the same.
Transphobic individuals believe that there is a gender binary that aligns with an assigned s***at birth. This, is not factual in any capacity.
Gender identity is complex, it is separate from s***& so is sexual identity.
If someone refuses to acknowledge this, it is transphobic/homophobic & honestly just ignorant. You can have conversations (like I’m attempting to do with you) but if you refuse to acknowledge reality, then you’re just ugly and delusional babes

Smacked Voodoo

3y

I don't know who any of these people are.

RIP to Housephone's mom. Adam is a useless cac. Housephone needs to live his truth proudly. Transwomen who out men they been with are extremely weird and I feel like that brings more harm to transfolk because in a way they are accepting that if a person engages with transfolk sexually then something is wrong with that person. S*** just brings more potential harm to transfolk.

All in all everyone, besides the mom, in this situation sucks ass.

krishna bound

3y

because we don't live in a fair utopian society like there literally had to be CENTURIES of discussion and decades of violence and riots before people even accepted people of the same gender having s***shouldn't be illegal and even now it's punishable in like over half the world, some places by death rights of transgender people has a fractional history compared to that, ofc that s*** isnt universally accepted yet to where we can just be like "well its morally correct so why do we have to explain it" this s*** barely applies to LITERAL RACE. like the civil rights act was 59 YEARS AGO. ofc this is going to apply to other social categories as well

@blonded isn't trying to invalidate your position, he's extrapolating the unfortunate reality that we live in a world where things that are moral are not universally understood or recognized and there's unfortunate consequences of that socially

Babaláwo

3y

Again don't disagree in theory, but this still isn't practical to the entire world, let alone even in America.

Like bruh, I am Nigerian, I have a family member who was born with down syndrome. If she was born in the village where my mom or father are from, they would have killed her. Even when they see pictures of her, they'll say things like "Someone must have touched her belly when she pregnant, and cursed her." Or they'll straight up say it's the devil/babalawo curse. These are the kinds of people you gonna be dealing with. So just saying s*** like "trans woman are women" to them type of people is never going to work. Even going the whole science route will not work. You have to humanize the issue.

deceased

3y

ok see now your point makes more sense to me.
I understand what you’re saying much more clearly.

I am in no way taking away the humiliation that comes with this as he will face it via the internet and his peers.
I was merely saying that this is an outing contributes to transphobic ways of thinking because she is a woman and he is straight.