ballerina

3y

we adjust wages for inflation when we discuss these things, but how about those record profits? and when you think about all the devices out there and parents using them to babysit their kids, how could they not be making record profits? it's hilarious that supposedly anti-capitalism folks would even bring this up. and it doesn't speak to the quality or lack thereof of the shows

edit: shouldn't the federal minimum wage be a living wage before we get to the LA tv show writers?

HaroldsChicken

3y

to be clear this is currently tv but will 100% likely branch to film, games and all art in terms of fighting against AI

ganger

3y

Tf u rambling about

hyphen

3y

Focusing on your point about this writer's strike, as it relates to AI,

This is a satirical in-game commercial from GTA Vice City for "Synth & Son," which came out in 2002. It's 44 seconds long and I bet yall would get a kick out of it now

"Why not discover the excitement of the science of music yourself, at SYNTH & SON,

Thanks to the science of music, you don't need musical talent to make great music! Just listen!

'automated drum fill plays'

I created that just by pressing a button!

Synthesizers are the NEW WAVE!

Why work hard on difficult compositions when a machine can make music better than you've ever dreamed of?"

This sounds like how a lot of people who aren't actually working in artistic fields are discussing AI in 2023 (don't mean to come at you personally)

If there is a working employed artist on KTT who is concerned about this in the slightest, I'm genuinely interested in getting their take

ASAKI

3y

Has the sxn just been huffing chemical waste this past week or something

HaroldsChicken

3y

Synths is a lot different than the level of AI and what it is going to be doing come on man. Like I get what you are going for but AI won't just be used for rudimentary task

hyphen

3y

I see your perspective but it's actually not different at all IMO, since we have decades of computer-enhanced musicality to learn from

If there was a KTT2 in the era when the Roland synths came out, at least half of them would have pitchforks out

It sounds crazy now since the history is before yalls time but that's how history repeats itself

HaroldsChicken

3y

I am not saying to get to the fear mongering level though. I am saying it is reasonable for artist or writers to NOT OPT INTO AI. They should have a choice there should be a contract and if they want to WRITE without their IP property and writing being entered into an AI that is reasonable same as basic COPYRIGHT LAW.

Except in the situation of AI how do you accuse an AI of PLAGARISM when it is possibly taking so much INFORMATION from the INTERNET . Besides if you sign with a company and they some how use your likeness with AI against your will. Which will inevitably happen

I know how technology has worked

Your simple a***ogy I get it I truly do . You not blowing my mind with it.

HaroldsChicken

3y

I am not saying to get to the fear mongering level though. I am saying it is reasonable for artist or writers to NOT OPT INTO AI. They should have a choice there should be a contract and if they want to WRITE without their IP property and writing being entered into an AI that is reasonable same as basic COPYRIGHT LAW.

Except in the situation of AI how do you accuse an AI of PLAGARISM when it is possibly taking so much INFORMATION from the INTERNET . Besides if you sign with a company and they some how use your likeness with AI against your will. Which will inevitably happen

I know how technology has worked

Your simple a***ogy I get it I truly do . You not blowing my mind with it.

hyphen

3y

Wasn't expecting my a***ogies to resonate with anyone not actively working in an artistic field

Anyway I appreciate people working in whatever field to weigh in here so not trying to discount your views

You brought up a couple points: you mentioned signing with a company to an agreement to use your likeness against your will?

That's another topic fam about contractual agreements. If I sign a sheet of paper as a legal adult, saying I gotta jump off a bridge tomorrow, that's my own fault but again that's another topic

HaroldsChicken

3y

I do work in an artistic field lol

I am saying when it comes to future and using their work in terms of writing future work with AI. Anything they have already created I get it. I am saying when we get into the situation of if and big if an AI can learn a writing style or try to compete with the original creator in some way. It gets to a weird degree.

AI being used to write video game NPC pedestrians that someone never sees or possibly talks to once isn't so much the worry as larger scale things. I am not against AI in all uses nor is that what I am saying in anyway shape or form. Just some uses of AI need to be established in a legal contract or should be

HaroldsChicken

3y

I do work in an artistic field lol

I am saying when it comes to future and using their work in terms of writing future work with AI. Anything they have already created I get it. I am saying when we get into the situation of if and big if an AI can learn a writing style or try to compete with the original creator in some way. It gets to a weird degree.

AI being used to write video game NPC pedestrians that someone never sees or possibly talks to once isn't so much the worry as larger scale things. I am not against AI in all uses nor is that what I am saying in anyway shape or form. Just some uses of AI need to be established in a legal contract or should be

ballerina

3y

this makes sense for the music industry but for tv the writers have no say in that

HaroldsChicken

3y

If they want to have a say in that though I can't be shocked. Especially when you look at writers or showrunners leaving a franchise because they no longer jive with where its going so often. In that case in many situations a company would use AI to essentially draft a replacement. I am more personally for keeping the human element to art .

Especially because there will be a quality dip in most cases even if you have AI do a rough draft of copying another writer then make changes.

hyphen

3y

Fair enough I can see that. And just like in the 80s in Vice City, I totally get why people had that concern

Still 30 years after Vice City, I still see a lot of "there's a worry of this happening" or "this could go down soon" or "this might happen on some I-Robot s***"

all I'm sayin is,

unless you are a visual artist, designer, signer, writer, songwriter, filmmaker, whatever the other main pillars of entertainment are,

can we let those people weigh in first about how their jobs are in danger? That's what I'm super interested in

ballerina

3y

I also wouldn't be surprised honestly. but I'm more optimistic about what AI could do in this regard, not excited but curious, because I think most tv shows are s***.

a lot of the best shows imo, like barry, have very tight writers' rooms of people who wear multiple hats in the production, and I don't think that will ever go away

HaroldsChicken

3y

Well yes I agree with the sentiment of what you are saying but when I think of the best tv shows of all time or even recent memorable ones no part of me thinks AI could improve them. Because what made them great was the human factor.

AI can't replicate much of that at all

Noir

3y

Other people should suffer because I'm suffering: the thread

ballerina

3y

It can be uncanny and creative though and then people can mold it into something that feels human. dystopian-ish but honestly there are far worse things going on that I'd sooner call dystopian

HaroldsChicken

3y

lol they just used AI to scale up the GTA remasters . I am simply saying AI often can lead to a worse product. Does it necessarily threaten their job to entirely replace them no. Humans will always be needed. Will AI replace some workers and labor ? Yes this is common sense. Again Rockstar Take Two a rich ass company and got that port out the door with AI upscaling even with all the errors in it.

HaroldsChicken

3y

oh dystopian to me can be chill to someone else. I am not saying what anyone else should consider this. To me most writing in TV/film/ games already feels redundant tedious, ai like in most cases even what rises to the top. A lot of it is formulaic to me or lacks that human connection factor. So to me AI would make that worse not better. When I simply want writing to be more valued in all art forms, writers to make the money and not just be tied to projects where they don't get the freedom to write. Often due to universes, properties or fitting certain tropes or marketing schemes.

I haven't seen AI art, visuals or writing that is "uncanny" yet for me used commercially. In terms of mods upscaling, machine learning, testing of things I have seen it used well and that is cool to me. I just don't personally jive with most creation and creative art uses of AI. that is my personal preference.

If someone wants to talk to a chat gpt skyrim character cool

hyphen

3y

Not doubting the ability of Rockstar to use modern tools to enhance the quality of an existing piece of art/IP

I agree with the sentiment of an AI-based future meaning we get weaker products

Will Rockstar use modern tech to replace what is replaceable? I agree there too. In the same way McDonalds invented peeling machines to get rid of having to pay people for the time of peeling potatoes.

Maybe this happens one day in the future, but the artistic ideas generated by humans are still not close to being replaced by anything robotic, as workers in that field could say

ballerina

3y

wow, yeah it's like we're on the cusp of creatives going through the same problems automation caused for other workers