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    Jonboi

    I still feel like a lot of y’all are being dishonest and refuse to acknowledge the contradiction inherent in Auntie Diaries

    I don't think there really is a contradiction other than one of logic.

    He is saying he used to believe context matters until now; that he sees saying the f-word to be as bad as the n-word.

    That's just to exonerate him for his poor move with the fan on the stage and to give him kudos for knowing not to say the f-word.

    When in reality he is wrong on both counts and deserves no kudos. What good is the right answer if you got to it incorrectly?

    Kendrick is just saying what he thinks you want to hear. You have to ask, if context doesn't matter then why is it ok for a black man to say the n-word? And there lies the faulty logic because you need to use context to even make that judgment. When you create exceptions or caveats all you are saying is that the context has changed.

    So context does matter. He was wrong for calling out the fan who was merely singing his lyrics, and he was wrong for using derogatory slurs against gay/trans family member.

    And ultimately, neither saying the n-word or f-word is wrong...it is all about context. That's why this song is a 0/10 for me. It seems strategic just to get some noise. I don't empathise with Kendrick on this nor is his argument convincing.

  • May 14, 2022
    WESLEYS THEORY

    And maybe it'll click with you somewhere down the line

    This too

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    This album got Untitled Unmastered vibes

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    chibuye

    I was talking about this on twitter, I don't think it's just provocative or just there to create a conversation.

    Someone there asked "what's society's honest solution to reach the ignorant/uneducated"?

    Like, we, the "moral authorities of the time" all sit around and pat ourselves on the back for understanding the plights of others and being "woke" and we want to create this bubble of existence where all humans are like us. But that's not reflective of the realities of life and the differences in people.

    There are others who are not on the same wavelength as us. Some who were left behind because of one reason or another.

    They remain ignorant/bigoted/indoctrinated or whatever you wanna call it.

    Society has said that to deal with such people our attitude must simply be "fuck 'em" and continue to try create a utopia.

    Hell even in the Bible there's a scripture about not giving pearls to pigs. I mean, we saw how Christians behaved when they were the moral authority. They had the same f*** 'em attitude to people not on their wavelength.

    I think Kendrick wants those "lost" (forgive the Christian lingo) to come along with him, despite what society says.

    And I think this is his way to reach those who were left behind.

    I think he was aware of how it would sound to the same people he's trying to aid in their plight. Like "you're making things worse, you're using their language".

    And a reality people weren't ready for is that one of the proven methods of reaching people is by speaking their language. It just so happens that their language is as f***ed up as it is but it's like he's showing them I was one of y'all once.

    We have to learn from the moral authorities of the past, we can't just say f*** em to everyone who doesn't think like us. All it does it push societal ills under the rug but they never get dealt with. And then they inevitably come up in filthier and uglier ways than what we once encountered. We gotta break the cycle. We gotta do better than the previous moral authorities.

    Not saying people shouldn't feel what they feel about his attempt but I respect Kendrick's attempt at breaking the cycle.

    I agree with this sentiment. But where the conversation gets provocative is: do you think Kendrick is saying he thinks it was wrong of him to tell the white fan not to say the n word and embarrass her in front of everyone?

  • May 14, 2022
    Prez

    Mother I Sober SOTY?

    Song of the life

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    DC

    Kendrick is making albums that are for him and cult culture type, tpab and this are going to be his 2 most detached albums from pop/hype/radio culture. Eminems best albums are sslp/mmlp/relapse but they don't play those on radio or in clubs.

    This isn't a bad thing, Kendrick is an artist, and what type of artist would he be if he didn't create honest music?

    I don't think either are honest. I think they're overly convoluted art pieces that are made for one reason: it appeals to a certain kind of music critic that also defends a certain kind of politics. Those two albums are depressive comments on socio-political issues that Kendrick never seems to rise above and it is tiring. Especially for a whole album.

    I like UU because it is the least manipulative and the easiest to listen to at the same time.

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    Mr Moral is a top 2 Kendrick album

    With a bottom 1 first track/into imo

    Sherain
    Wesleys theory
    F*** your ethnicity are all better

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    Visionary

    I don't think there really is a contradiction other than one of logic.

    He is saying he used to believe context matters until now; that he sees saying the f-word to be as bad as the n-word.

    That's just to exonerate him for his poor move with the fan on the stage and to give him kudos for knowing not to say the f-word.

    When in reality he is wrong on both counts and deserves no kudos. What good is the right answer if you got to it incorrectly?

    Kendrick is just saying what he thinks you want to hear. You have to ask, if context doesn't matter then why is it ok for a black man to say the n-word? And there lies the faulty logic because you need to use context to even make that judgment. When you create exceptions or caveats all you are saying is that the context has changed.

    So context does matter. He was wrong for calling out the fan who was merely singing his lyrics, and he was wrong for using derogatory slurs against gay/trans family member.

    And ultimately, neither saying the n-word or f-word is wrong...it is all about context. That's why this song is a 0/10 for me. It seems strategic just to get some noise. I don't empathise with Kendrick on this nor is his argument convincing.

    And I think it’s possible he’s still saying that context matters and is giving a genuinely non-PC take. But to be fair, I seem to be the only person who thinks that’s a possibility, and, it does butt up against the tone of the rest of the verses.

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    1 day after release what rating out of 10 are we giving this?

  • May 14, 2022
    Illermatic

    1 day after release what rating out of 10 are we giving this?

    Its a 9 for me

  • May 14, 2022
    Prez

    tryna find a skip on disc 1

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    ManU Minute

    Mr Moral is a top 2 Kendrick album

    With a bottom 1 first track/into imo

    Sherain
    Wesleys theory
    F*** your ethnicity are all better

    Only Wesleys is better

    Grief In Unity is one of the best beats kendrick ever rapped on

  • May 14, 2022

    First listen just got to mother I sober shi good

  • May 14, 2022
    Illermatic

    1 day after release what rating out of 10 are we giving this?

    8.5 here

  • May 14, 2022
    Illermatic

    1 day after release what rating out of 10 are we giving this?

    9

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    The way he was flowing on the second half of United in Grief is deadass why this nigga is my favorite rapper ever.

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    mr get dough

    Only Wesleys is better

    Grief In Unity is one of the best beats kendrick ever rapped on

    I GRIEVE DIFFERENT just hits a certain way

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    Illermatic

    1 day after release what rating out of 10 are we giving this?

    9/10

    Hard to see where i rank it though, gotta see how the replay value holds up

  • May 14, 2022
    Dino

    The way he was flowing on the second half of United in Grief is deadass why this nigga is my favorite rapper ever.

    Kendrick is my favorite rapper ever

    Ktt cannot make me feel shame about it

  • May 14, 2022

    7/10 first listen

  • Prez 💎
    May 14, 2022
    DC

    Kendrick is making albums that are for him and cult culture type, tpab and this are going to be his 2 most detached albums from pop/hype/radio culture. Eminems best albums are sslp/mmlp/relapse but they don't play those on radio or in clubs.

    This isn't a bad thing, Kendrick is an artist, and what type of artist would he be if he didn't create honest music?

    No love for The Eminem show?

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    Jonboi

    And I think it’s possible he’s still saying that context matters and is giving a genuinely non-PC take. But to be fair, I seem to be the only person who thinks that’s a possibility, and, it does butt up against the tone of the rest of the verses.

    Each to their own, but I think the song is very manipulative. I don't see how it really has much to do with his own self-reflection other than to just tick a box off. This is what people refer to when they say Kendrick is engaging in critic-bait.

  • May 14, 2022
    WESLEYS THEORY

    I GRIEVE DIFFERENT just hits a certain way

    Fr man, I GRIEVE DIFFERENT them heavy ass drums

    God damn. Thats gonna be in my top 5 most played songs oty

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    LUKAS

    9/10

    Hard to see where i rank it though, gotta see how the replay value holds up

    I feel like its gonna be one of those albums alot of us don't play much after the first couple of weeks but thats only because of how dense and heavy this album is emotionally. Its a piece of art. And sometimes art is uncomfortable.

  • May 14, 2022
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    chibuye

    I was talking about this on twitter, I don't think it's just provocative or just there to create a conversation.

    Someone there asked "what's society's honest solution to reach the ignorant/uneducated"?

    Like, we, the "moral authorities of the time" all sit around and pat ourselves on the back for understanding the plights of others and being "woke" and we want to create this bubble of existence where all humans are like us. But that's not reflective of the realities of life and the differences in people.

    There are others who are not on the same wavelength as us. Some who were left behind because of one reason or another.

    They remain ignorant/bigoted/indoctrinated or whatever you wanna call it.

    Society has said that to deal with such people our attitude must simply be "fuck 'em" and continue to try create a utopia.

    Hell even in the Bible there's a scripture about not giving pearls to pigs. I mean, we saw how Christians behaved when they were the moral authority. They had the same f*** 'em attitude to people not on their wavelength.

    I think Kendrick wants those "lost" (forgive the Christian lingo) to come along with him, despite what society says.

    And I think this is his way to reach those who were left behind.

    I think he was aware of how it would sound to the same people he's trying to aid in their plight. Like "you're making things worse, you're using their language".

    And a reality people weren't ready for is that one of the proven methods of reaching people is by speaking their language. It just so happens that their language is as f***ed up as it is but it's like he's showing them I was one of y'all once.

    We have to learn from the moral authorities of the past, we can't just say f*** em to everyone who doesn't think like us. All it does it push societal ills under the rug but they never get dealt with. And then they inevitably come up in filthier and uglier ways than what we once encountered. We gotta break the cycle. We gotta do better than the previous moral authorities.

    Not saying people shouldn't feel what they feel about his attempt but I respect Kendrick's attempt at breaking the cycle.

    Society exploits the ignorant and uneducated. The people at the helm of this county and world are corrupt and motivated by self interest. Kendrick has grown to be a man, a father, a celebrity of major status, and has seen the ugliness that it can bring. Macklemore spoke a ton about this in his song light tunnels. You basically end up knowing too much and if you are genuinely a good person with a good soul, this lifestyle can break you into someone that is extremely pessimistic, which is really the basis of this album. He is speaking on how his entire life and discography and upbringing have put him where he is at now. Does he like it? Does he want to be this way? We don't know, he doesn't know, but this is what life can do as you get older. His fanbase has watched him paint a portrait of his life with each album, and this is just another layer of the portrait that he feels that he wants to express out to the world.